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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 6:15 pm

We are currently in Scotland on Holiday and we have a problem with our Trident.
Power issues last week regarding the 12v system.
Tube light dim. When powering up the water pump everything cuts out. 
Plugged a 12v lighter socket via an adaptor into the 2 pin next to the plug. When I turn on a tube light the voltage drops from 12.8 to 8.3v. When I turn on the pump the lot goes dead, then restores to 12.8 when switched off not he panel.
Went to a camp sites and on EHU everything works as it should, pump and light.
Took it to a motorhome repairer today and got it checked out. 
Outcome.
Battery fine.
EHU is powering everything and all working fine.
Off EHU same issue but no pump draw from battery.
Diesel Heater is working fine, though it draws from the battery on a different cable.
I have replaced the three fuses under the hood and still not joy.
The chap in the repairs shop was snowed under with work but he was happy to spend 40mins but he didnt have more time to help.
We looked for more fuses but no joy.
Chap said it might be worth running a quick line from the battery to the control panel to see if it work and lay a new line, which he would have done if he had the time.

Questions.
Any opinions?
Where could any other fuses be?

Regards Bob.
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Post by FreelanderUK Wed May 12, 2021 6:29 pm

Did he load test the battery or just take a voltage reading with a multimeter, I think a cell has gone down on the leisure battery

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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 6:42 pm

FreelanderUK wrote:Did he load test the battery or just take a voltage reading with a multimeter, I think a cell has gone down on the leisure battery
 No thats fine as he hooked up a new test battery and still the same issue.

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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 7:15 pm

We have a Nuevo control panel if that helps
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Post by Roopert Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Do you have a solar panel?
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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 8:44 pm

Roopert wrote:Do you have a solar panel?
No roopert
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Post by Roopert Wed May 12, 2021 8:46 pm

Where is the leisure battery on your van?
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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 8:55 pm

wRoopert wrote:Where is the leisure battery on your van?
it's under the seat drivers side
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Post by IanH Wed May 12, 2021 9:16 pm

Agree with Freelander, almost everything I've read points me to a dead or dying cell in LB, easiest way is with a resistance battery tester, a multimeter will only read voltage, the resistance tester will apply a considerable load as well.
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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 9:22 pm

IanH wrote:Agree with Freelander, almost everything I've read points me to a dead or dying cell in LB, easiest way is with a resistance battery tester, a multimeter will only read voltage, the resistance tester will apply a considerable load as well.
two batteries attached and still the same problem
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Post by FreelanderUK Wed May 12, 2021 9:25 pm

Did he actually remove the other battery before hooking up the new battery or connect them together

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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 9:28 pm

FreelanderUK wrote:Did he actually remove the other battery before hooking up the new battery or connect them together
Yes. Brand new battery connected.
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Post by FreelanderUK Wed May 12, 2021 9:32 pm

It could then point to the pump starting to fail ,as this draws the most current when on electric and charger is working my battery volts normally show 13.4v


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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 pm

FreelanderUK wrote:It could then point to the pump starting to fail ,as this draws the most current when on electric and charger is working my battery volts normally show 13.4v
the pump is working fine on EHU
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Post by FreelanderUK Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 pm

If it all works correctly on ehu then the wiring is ok and the 12v side is ok as your charger is putting power in to the battery ,with out ehu it’s the battery that’s powering everything, if it happens when just on battery, the battery is the problem

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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 9:39 pm

FreelanderUK wrote:If it all works correctly on ehu then the wiring is ok and the 12v side is ok as your charger is putting power in to the battery ,with out ehu it’s the battery that’s powering everything, if it happens when just on battery, the battery is the problem
it's had a brand new battery attached today and still the same issue
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Post by FreelanderUK Wed May 12, 2021 9:40 pm

Where is the starter battery ,you didn’t get these mixed up did you

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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 9:42 pm

it FreelanderUK wrote:Where is the starter battery ,you didn’t get these mixed up did you
the starter battery is in the bonnet
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Post by FreelanderUK Wed May 12, 2021 9:47 pm

Auto electrian time , sorry no further ideas

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Post by Retirerehirelife Wed May 12, 2021 10:09 pm

So all I have found is the 3 fuses and relay’s under the bonnet.
Is there any more in the van?
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Post by Nigelbs Wed May 12, 2021 11:22 pm

Picking up our 2002 Tridrnt Friday and I will try to have a look for you. Also print the wiring diagram. However as others have said it looks like a failing battery - to really test need to completely disconnect the existing battery and connect new in place - not just connect the two in parallel.
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Post by Roopert Thu May 13, 2021 12:39 am

Something I would definitely try - go to the leisure battery, find the wire on the positive terminal and follow it away from the battery - you should come to a fuse. Often it's just an inline fuse, but sometimes A/S put in a fuse block mounted on the seat base. Check that fuse, and the condition of the fuse holder, as they can occasionally melt and cause an intermittent or high resistance connection.
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Post by babian Thu May 13, 2021 7:31 am

hope you get sorted. just skipping through the helpful replies above and "my penny worth".  Earths for L/ battery, control panel, pump.
Connect up a new (thick) earth cable to a good new point near to L/battery if you can, leave original one in place and add an extra one.
Trace pump earth if you can and inspect that and or add a new earth. Check any earth points you can find.
again hope you get sorted and do try to find any in line battery fuse.
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Post by FreelanderUK Thu May 13, 2021 7:43 am

Question for anybody, if leisure battery is removed and ehu connected will the 12v side work, ie lights, pump, and 12v sockets

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Post by Tinwheeler Thu May 13, 2021 8:38 am

FreelanderUK wrote:Question for anybody, if leisure battery is removed and ehu connected will the 12v side work, ie lights, pump, and 12v sockets
It depends. Some systems need the battery in place to complete the circuit, some don't. The handbook should explain and say whether damage will be caused by getting it wrong.
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