Warwick Duo - lock rear door from inside

I have now been the proud owner of a new AS Warwick Duo for 24 hours and I'm starting to notice a few things I'm not sure about.
Is it really not possible to lock the rear door from the inside?

You just press the central locking button on the dashboard under the radio and on the drivers door arm rest switches.
I don't think the just the rear doors can be locked on their own tough.

Twiggy

Hi Don
It might be worth doing a test. Our van is obviously very different, but you may have a similar trap for the unwary. 

If the habitation door is unlocked (might apply to the rear door in your case??) but the cab doors are locked, if I then use the fob to unlock the cab doors, it locks the habitation door at the same time.
(Yes, I have got that right!   )

It's only a nuisance, rather than a potential problem, but worth being aware.

The basic issue for me is that I want to be confident the doors are locked when I am going to sleep and at the moment I can't. I hope its because I am not familiar enough with the van.

I read the warning about don't use the remote fob to lock the van when your inside as that would have been good if I could have done that.
I am trying the button under the radio as suggested by Twiggy, but its behavior seems a little unpredictable. Sometimes it locks all the doors, sometimes unlocks, often does nothing at all and seems to go to sleep for periods. I hope this situation improves as I don't want someone outside opening the door during the night.

A/SDon, if my side sliding door is not completely closed the central locking button makes the usual 'clunk'  but the red light will not show confirming all locks closed. Make sure the sliding door is definitely closed,as we all know they can be a pain to close.
Be assured if the red light shows all the doors are locked.

Twiggy

A/SDon, it makes closing the side door much easier if you open a roof-light first. Twiggy is right, the side door can be difficult to close, but the clue is the light on the switch on the dash: no light = not locked.

Spospe wrote: . . . the clue is the light on the switch on the dash: no light = not locked.

Probably!! 

Different van I know, but on ours the red light always comes on when the key fob is pressed to lock the doors. It doesn't always stay on though, and usually goes into flashing mode after a while - if it stays on at all, which it often doesn't! 

Having physically checked the doors on several occasions I've never bothered to sort out exactly what subsequent actions make it behave as it does, but on our van at least no light doesn't necessarily mean not locked.

Sorry about chucking a spanner in the works, but I think the only answer for the OP is to explore the workings of his own van to determine what happens, and when. 

AutoSleepyDon wrote:The basic issue for me is that I want to be confident the doors are locked when I am going to sleep and at the moment I can't. I hope its because I am not familiar enough with the van.

I read the warning about don't use the remote fob to lock the van when your inside as that would have been good if I could have done that.
I am trying the button under the radio as suggested by Twiggy, but its behavior seems a little unpredictable. Sometimes it locks all the doors, sometimes unlocks, often does nothing at all and seems to go to sleep for periods. I hope this situation improves as I don't want someone outside opening the door during the night.

Not read about not using the remote fob while inside the van. I can only assume they mean do not press it twice and go into double lock mod, this means you cannot open the doors from inside in case of an emergency.

I just press the side/rear door part of the fob once and then you can open the rear doors from in side. As already stated make sure the sliding door is fully closed.


I also keep the fob handy just in case.

Spospe wrote:A/SDon, it makes closing the side door much easier if you open a roof-light first. Twiggy is right, the side door can be difficult to close, but the clue is the light on the switch on the dash: no light = not locked.

Make sure the blind is not closed, I have on many occasions done just that and then spent the next 1/2 hour putting the blind back in the runners

rgermain wrote:Not read about not using the remote fob while inside the van. I can only assume they mean do not press it twice and go into double lock mod, this means you cannot open the doors from inside in case of an emergency.

I just press the side/rear door part of the fob once and then you can open the rear doors from in side. As already stated make sure the sliding door is fully closed.

I also keep the fob handy just in case.

When the van comes from AS, it has a red tag on both key fobs saying "do not use to lock from inside vehicle, see handbook warning".
The only relevant warning in the base van handbook I can find is "never leave anyone inside when it is deadlocked" and deadlocking is as you say, a double press on the key fob so I think you are correct, and it is safe provided you are careful and are aware of deadlocking. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Gromit, my reference to the red light meaning that the doors are locked does refer specifically to the Warwick Duo, which is a panel van conversion. This has all the original doors fitted (cab, rear and side).

The red light does go out after about 10 minutes, but it is its initial illumination which shows that all the doors are locked.

If you are stopping on site and only use the side door for access i.e. unlocking only that door with the key fob and not the cab doors, then you may need to press the button on the dash twice.
To be sure I always make sure I have opened a cab door before using the dash button. The red light illuminates straight away showing it is locked.

Hubert

I think there's a thread about this. I am certain that, on our Nuevo, it is possible to lock oneself out inadvertently (possibly with the keys inside). One way is thus: all doors unlocked; leave hab door open; lock doors using key in driver's door, or using internal dashboard button - which locks all doors, including the hab door when it's next shut. So although you may think that the hab door - still open - is unlocked whilst the cab doors are locked, in fact the hab door will be locked when it's next shut.

My advice would be: put a set of keys in pocket; then using spare set, try every combination for locking van (e.g. with internal button only, leaving via hab door / with key only, diito; with hab door left open / ) and try to remember the results. Oh yes - get a spare key cut and bury it so it's externally accessible!

Spospe wrote:Gromit, my reference to the red light meaning that the doors are locked does refer specifically to the Warwick Duo, which is a panel van conversion. This has all the original doors fitted (cab, rear and side).

The red light does go out after about 10 minutes, but it is its initial illumination which shows that all the doors are locked.

That is what happens on my Nuevo too. Using the key fob to lock is possible for me (no deadlocks or manual warnings) but a bit of a pain as I have to remember to switch off the alarm ultrasonic sensors. So we nearly always use the button on the dash. Red light glows for a while, then goes out.
We do have an issue now when we return from Calais. Invariably security want to come into the van. I have to remember to turn the engine off so that the step drops!

Hi all this is 100% true and did really happen as things do as the brain cells die!

I would just like to add something about the internal locking method as a warning.

A friend of mine locked his vehicle from the inside before retiring to bed. I don't know how he managed to do the following thing and he is also a bit shy about it, but he did. He wanted a quick getaway in the morning and had done all the chores the night before and was ready to hit the road first thing.

While the vehicle was still fully locked from overnight, and he was still inside he tried to start the engine. The engine threw a wobbly and would not start, it just kept turning over. The EMCS ( Engine Management Computer System ) had assumed, that because the doors were still locked, and the immobiliser was armed, combined with the fact, that someone was trying to start the vehicle, the EMCS assumed that someone had got inside and was trying to steel the vehicle while the system was still armed. The vehicle start system now goes into protection mode ( YOU ARE NOT GOING TO NICK ME MODE ) and the engine will not start until the system is reset and the fault code read, cleared, and authorized for a reset in this instance by the AA at the campsite. His vehicle is a 2017 Peugeot Boxer model. Honest injun it was not me!

Now I also do not remember seeing in my handbook, and he has nothing in his, any mention of not locking the vehicle from the inside with the key blip fob, as has been mentioned by another poster. Of course not locking with the key blip fob from the inside could pertain too another vehicle of a different or earlier year and is a warning that the above may happen if it is done. 

I always lock mine from the inside at night and also with the key blip fob, because I cannot see any other way of locking it and still being in the van while locking from the outside - you could not get back in! I have done this with all my PVC's/ motorhomes and never had a problem. Great balls of fire what have I just said!! Internal PIR motion sensor alarms are of course another thing so wont go there and hope nobody else does!!

Moral of story. Don't try to start your engine while the vehicle immobiliser is still armed because your vehicle will think you are trying to pinch it  

Happy touring

Just to echo AutoSleepyDon, my 2017 Kingham came with the warnings not to use the key fob to lock the vehicle from the inside.

Hi Wargenwolf . I am going to assume that you are quoting from the Peugeot handbook. If you have found this warning somewhere else, then please do correct me/ us. 

Where do you have this warning not use the keyfob from inside the vehicle for normal locking. Like you I also have a 2017 model and in the Peugeot handbook it does not refer anywhere in it with a warning about normally locking from the inside with the key fob. Neither did I have any red tag on the the key fob ( as others have also said ) saying not to lock from the inside and my vehicle is 8 weeks old. The handbook does have a reference on page 15 under the heading "deadlocking" and this is what it says. Deadlocking - there is a blue symbol of a padlock. " Pressing this button twice in succession deadlocks the vehicle. It is then impossible to open the doors from the inside or outside. The direction indicators flash three times. Footnote - ! Never leave anyone in the vehicle when it is deadlocked ! That means don't unknowingly lock anyone inside the van and walk off with your keys in your pocket - they wont get out until you come back and un - deadlock the doors!

The above is otherwise not a reference or warning to not using the keyfob to lock the vehicle from the inside with a normal locking procedure. It is perfectly ok to do this because you can still un - deadlock the locks with the key fob from inside, the same as you would from the outside! If you  did by acciident " deadlock while still inside and lock yourself in, this is no big deal, just press the unlock button again and un - deadlock the locks as you would from the outside when leaving your van. You cannot get trapped in the vehicle if you still have your keys with you in the van which you would have! Ok an emergency is another thing I understand that. If you want to then you can use the button on the dash, but you do not have to use this button only to lock from the inside. 

Do you not agree that this original post from Don asks about locking the rear doors. It would have been so easy to answer Don and to have to have referred Don to read his brand new vehicle handbook page 14 and 15! We would not then be confusing the issue twenty posts later about warnings of using the key fob to lock/ unlock normally from the inside. 

Ultrasonic alarms come with a key fob with a warning not to lock from the inside whilst still in the vehicle. Of course that makes sense as they are triggered by movement inside the van. In my previous Bailey van I had a Ultrasonic Cobra Alarm fitted, it had a warning tag on the key fob. Flies in the van are also notorious for setting them off and giving everyone else the hump.

Ok, I digressed from the original post as well and I am just as guilty as everyone else. I should have started a new thread with my mates locking/ immobiliser problem. As I said please correct me if you have seen this locking warning in another piece of A-S literature. 

Don't worry Don you can sleep like a baby and your doors will be locked ok, even with two clicks! Just don't leave the gas on at the stove burners turned and not lit though! 

Happy headaches everyone 

Mindhyg wrote:Hi Wargenwolf . I am going to assume that you are quoting from the Peugeot handbook. If you have found this warning somewhere else, then please do correct me/ us. 

When I used the term 'echo' that's exactly what I meant. The warning was on the red tag on the key fob, echoing the OP's experience.

Mindhyg wrote:Do you not agree that this original post from Don asks about locking the rear doors. It would have been so easy to answer Don and to have to have referred Don to read his brand new vehicle handbook page 14 and 15! We would not then be confusing the issue twenty posts later about warnings of using the key fob to lock/ unlock normally from the inside. 

Because I also had the red warning tags on my key fob, there is no confusion of the issue and I consider it as remaining 'on topic' discussing those key fob warnings on a post about locking rear doors.

I can see where posts that go wildly off topic can be frustrating for some, personally I don't get hung up on them, they can still be informative, but you might have to work a bit harder to glean the relevant information from them. This post isn't wildly off topic yet !

Think of it as having a chat with a friend over a pint, it would be extremely boring if you told him that he could only talk about one specific point at a time and you would never have learned that some of us key fobs provided with warnings on them.

Hi Wargenwollf

It's getting confusing because of this red tag thing and it started with a different topic. If owners don't have a red tag they will now be confused about it, because they have the same alarm system. If I was Don, and had placed that thread on here only to have people start talking about red tags that I don't have, I would be very confused. Don does not say he has a red tag on his key in his original post. I am wondering where all this red tag thing is coming from - I suspect you have different alarm systems from the standard. But no reason for this red tag if a new vehicle with standard factory arming system.

As stated I have a new vehicle and my brother in law has yesterday taken delivery of a new Kemerton XL, he has no red tag warning on his keys either and neither of us do. Don has a new vehicle but he has not stated that he has a red tag either.

The question now must surely be, why do some brand new vehicle fobs have the red tags and others don't. May I ask what type of alarm system you have fitted in your new vehicle is it standard.

I will write to A-S and ask the question about this mysterious red tag. This will clear things up for everyone, I hope. 

ps I'll have a large Gin & Tonic, I dont drink beer

Don started the thread, his second post mentions him reading the warning and his third post mentions the red tag on his key fob.

My fob is for central locking and nothing to do with my alarm, which is a Strikeback after market job, with its own fob.

It's  still on topic and related to locking the van from the inside?

It will still be interesting to see AS's explanation of why some of us received fobs with a warning on them, even though I don't use mine to lock the van when I'm in inside it, I use the dash mounted lock button.

Thanks 

This photo is how AutoSleeper supply the keys (both sets) of a Warwick Duo in 2017. I assume its the same for other van conversions.
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I hope the warning is now immediately obvious to anyone.
This coupled with the fact that AS have covered over the handle, used to lock the door on the inside, of the rear door is what gave rise to my query "how can I lock the van when I'm inside".

Van conversions have a deadlock function
I now believe this warning is to alert owners to the deadlocking function of the Boxer van. This is activated when someone double clicks the padlock button on the remote keyfob. Something that can easily be done especially with a little mild OCD.
When a van is deadlocked, the handles are mechanically detached and you can't get out, until you unlock with remote again.
I'm not aware of a problem locking with the remote itself, but you are never sure it's locked are you, so you click it again and then you are deadlocked !

I would NEVER want to be in a deadlocked van, nor, leave the wife in one when I go off to brush my teeth etc.

When inside, lock van using switch on centre console
Now that I am familiar with the lock switch on the centre console, I realise the lock switch on the centre console is the best way to lock the van from the inside.
The light on the switch gives positive confirmation the van is locked and you can not deadlock using this switch.

The deadlocking should have been mentioned during the handover but alas it was not and in my excitement I somehow did not think to ask about the big red warning on the keyfob

I think the important message is to be aware of the deadlocking function, I know I wasn't until told on this forum.

That's exactly how mine came Don, but I didn't keep my stickers. 

Both my previous vans had the dash mounted lock button, so it was second nature for me to continue using it. 

I religiously lock mine on start up, as I prefer control over the back and side doors, especially driving through city centres, or coming back to the UK via Le Tunnel. 
I'm not sure if the central locking releases during or after a collision, such as 'anti-hijack' systems do on some cars, but the chances of some lowlife opening the doors, is more likely than a severe impact.

Hi all. I said I would write to Auto Sleepers and try to find out what was going on with the mysterious red warning tag appearing on key fobs. 

I have had this reply from Dave Williams at Auto-Sleepers.

I had asked about this red warning tag on the keys of new vehicles and why myself and my friend did not have one on our key fobs for our new vans, yet other new van owners did and did this indicate a new locking system/s on new vans. This reply is straight from the horses mouth and should end all the speculation about the locking system/s old or new and the mysterious red tag. The last paragraph is very interesting asking what alarm is fitted. I cannot find a way to insert his email here but I have copied it word for word. If you would like a proof copy then please supply me with your email via private posting address and i will forward the email to you and my original question.

Dear Mr N....n

Thanks you for your recent email submitted via our website and for choosing our Fairford as your new Motorhome.

"We are somewhat puzzled by the tag you mention on your friends key to be honest as the Boxer Motorhome chassis doesn't have deadlocks for safety reasons, which means if you lock the doors using the key fob you can still open all the doors from the inside without needing to use the key fob first.

I have also been to inspect some new Peugeot chassis cabs and vans on site and none of these have arrived with any red warning tags. Did your friend/s buy his Motorhome with a different security device installed - for example; Outsmart the Thief promotes a Lockdown feature on their system which may be creating a deadlock effect when activated??

Kind regards

Dave

Dave Williams 
Sales Director.

Well that's the answer from A-S so do you red taggers have a different alarm system fitted because Auto Sleeper know nothing about these red tags. 

Having received that reply I would suggest that anyone who has a red tag and a standard alarm system should write to Dave Williams and ask why they have it on their key fob and where it came from. You should get the same reply!

I wonder if the email in Mindbhyg's post above is referring to coachbuilts because of the mention of motor home chassis.
My Warwick Duo is a van conversion and van conversions are built from Window Vans and not the motorhome chassis. For anyone who doesn't know, the motorhome chassis is basically a cab on a frame with no rear door or sliding side door and is the base for a coachbuilt.

In any case, the contents of the email are obviously wrong   as it says the vans do not have deadlocking and I have confirmed by experiment that my van DOES have deadlocking. If the email quotation is presented correctly , then this negatively impacts the credibility of Dave Williams Sales Director as an expert witness

It is interesting AS do concede a safety issue with dead locking.
I am OK with the locking now I have done a 5 night trip in it and I'm used to it.  However, I think I would have been happier if the van didn't have deadlocking at all. Perhaps someone should write to them.

I'm glad they put the red tag on, if they hadn't then I would not have realised about the deadlocking for some time.

PS I don't have an alarm except for whatever is standard on the van.