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Post by caroline Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:03 am

My Harmony has now been in the garage for nearly 2 weeks having gone in because I couldn't get 2nd gear.  The gearbox is in pieces and I'm told they can't get the necessary parts to fix it. It's just over a week to my annual holiday and I'm more than a little anxious now - can anyone help with possible source of parts please, or other options which don't involve a mortgage - thanks.
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Post by Harper22 Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:15 am

I hope you get some info on this as my Harmony developed a god awful crunching into 2nd and 3rd after an issue with climbing telegraph hill on the way to Torquay and I'm concerned it may develop into a scenario where I cant get into gear. May I ask how your problem started initially?
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Post by caroline Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:18 am

2nd gear was increasingly awkward and crunchy to the point where no matter what it was a battle and nigh impossible.
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Post by Harper22 Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:40 am

caroline wrote:2nd gear was increasingly awkward and crunchy to the point where no matter what it was a battle and nigh impossible.
Oh lord so_sad  I hope you manage to get sorted quickly and at a "relatively" good price, I had to have a new exhaust on my last trip which ate into the funds a fair amount so_sad 

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Post by peugeotboxer Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:54 am

caroline wrote:My Harmony has now been in the garage for nearly 2 weeks having gone in because I couldn't get 2nd gear.  The gearbox is in pieces and I'm told they can't get the necessary parts to fix it. It's just over a week to my annual holiday and I'm more than a little anxious now - can anyone help with possible source of parts please, or other options which don't involve a mortgage - thanks.

 Obviously depends on what parts are required, but there are secondhand gearboxes on ebay.

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Post by reenag06 Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:34 am

Hi my symbol has just developed same problem and it only done 27000 miles
Have u sorted problem and was it expensive???
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Post by Bulletguy Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:45 am

reenag06 wrote:Hi my symbol has just developed same problem and it only done 27000 miles
 Have u sorted problem and was it expensive???

Blimey......only 27k!

Something seriously wrong there at such a low mileage. Had it been high i'd have been tempted to source a used or 'recon' one, but as yours is so low you really need to get a gearbox specialist look into that. There are mechanics who specialise in gearbox rebuilds and that's the kind of person you need. Be 100% they are reputable before going ahead.

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Post by Alski Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:32 pm

Hi all, just had my 1999 symphony gearbox with 48,000 miles rebuilt with similar problems, crunching when selecting 1st,2nd and 3rd gears. apparently when the garage drained the oil a pint of water was in there with it! It did take 2 weeks to get parts and re-assemble and cost £ 1600  ...... yes and it still stings! but at least shes back on the road and drives easy now. Hope you manage to sort yours quickly and cheaper  Alski
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Post by Flying High Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:17 am

Hi Alski,

Did the garage stop the water leak onto the gearbox??

Check the pipe from the scuttle that no water gets onto the outside of the pipe dropping onto the gearbox.

Best regards, Mike  courtesy
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Post by mikebro Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:08 pm

See here a current thread on this subject on the "technical chat" forum:-

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Post by Alski Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Yes Mike they sealed the pipe where it pushes into the bulkhead it had rusted away a bit there so they spread sealant everywhere. It looks ok but I think I will extend the pipe too as it runs all over the chassis now. Cheers Alski:up!:
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Post by Carlo Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:30 pm

As may be seen from my posts re Noisy Gear Box, you will see that I have spent a fair amount having my box rebuilt on the 1995 Boxer together with a new clutch fitted. On going posts.

The original noise is still present, however three experianced gear box engineers assure me the issue remains centred on the clutch. It is called clutch rattle? And is consequential to in-balance between the engine fly wheel and gear box / cluth assembly. Still debateable in my mind????
Even after a new LUK clutch.
With relation to parts for gear box repair. Bearings and seals are still available from companies specialising in bearing suppplies to the trade and industry. One seal had to come from Peugoet.

The issue with second gear not being easy to engage is probably on the syncromesh ring wear on the selector forks. Again parts are available but you will need to search. I am informed the bits are available from Poland.
There is a company in Birmingham ( Premier Gearbox Tysley) who employ a Polish technician who over comes the language barrier via an internet site called Allegro?

Unfortunatly any repair of this type is expensive! For example the complete  1st / 2nd gear syncro cassette assembly is over £220.00.

Regarding the water penetration into the box, this has been covered previously on the site. Peugoet supply a modification re directing the water from the scuttle which had previously drained directly over the box, a brilliant piece of engineering!!!! What I did was to cut the end off the pipe from the scuttle and extend the drain pipe with washing machine/ dishwasher drain pipe, although any suitable size pipe will do. Thus redirecting the drain off from the scuttle and sealing the join with a good quality mastic. The extended drain can be secured with zip ties.

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Post by Blossom Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:58 pm

If you don't mind going down the second hand route there are several online sources available apart from ebay. I think one such place is called 24/7 parts who will put you in touch with any supplier who responds to your search. I have used them in the past with success.  smile!

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Post by DreamMachine Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:01 pm

I had a real saga trying to get my 2000 model gearbox fixed - see the thread hear

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Post by Jeff and Di Giblin Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:02 pm

Just to say we are now two years down the line from having the same problem sorted. We weren't capable of doing the work ourselves and so took the specialist gearbox repairer route. This proved to be as good an experience as this mega repair could be! The repairer was able to source the majority of required components from their various trade contacts. Most were new but some had to be unworn second hand, because of the age of the base vehicle. The clutch was also replaced at the same time and the flywheel was skimmed. The whole thing cost £1,500, in 2012. All we can say, two years down the line, is that the problem remains sorted.
The gearbox specialist had several motorhomes on the ramps at the time we took ours in, and offered the opinion that pulling a continuous heavy load around, and using the vehicle like a car (whatever that might mean!) contributed to high gearbox failure rates in such vehicles, regardless of mileage.
We were happy in the end (once the credit card had stopped smoking!) and continue to enjoy our motor homing .
All the best to everyone

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Post by Bulletguy Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:24 am

Not sure which base models people have been having problems with but if we are talking Ford, Germany holds the largest supply of new parts (even my mudflaps had to come from there!), and Poland has an absolute mass of 'recon' parts. Back to gearboxes, in this country we have numerous small Motor Engineers who specialise in refurbing and rebuilding gearboxes. Some Engineers have the ability to manufacture new.

This is just one example which is near where i live;

Staffs Silent Gear Company Ltd
Gear Works
Etruria
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST1 5PR
Tel: 01782 280136

Many won't even have heard of the place. Even a lot of local people don't know of it's existence and if you saw the building, you'd laugh......yet for years it has been the sole supplier of gearing to F1 teams. Now......if they have the capability to turn out that standard of craftsmanship, then i'm damned sure they could cope with refurbing or making any Ford gear parts!

The other natural source of supply of course is breakers yards. I have one in my area which takes in nothing but Transits. 
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Post by dandywarhol Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:22 pm

Jeff and Di Giblin wrote:Just to say we are now two years down the line from having the same problem sorted. We weren't capable of doing the work ourselves and so took the specialist gearbox repairer route. This proved to be as good an experience as this mega repair could be! The repairer was able to source the majority of required components from their various trade contacts. Most were new but some had to be unworn second hand, because of the age of the base vehicle. The clutch was also replaced at the same time and the flywheel was skimmed. The whole thing cost £1,500, in 2012. All we can say, two years down the line, is that the problem remains sorted.
The gearbox specialist had several motorhomes on the ramps at the time we took ours in, and offered the opinion that pulling a continuous heavy load around, and using the vehicle like a car (whatever that might mean!) contributed to high gearbox failure rates in such vehicles, regardless of mileage.
We were happy in the end (once the credit card had stopped smoking!) and continue to enjoy our motor homing .
All the best to everyone

Jeff and Di

"Using it like a car" means changing into a higher gear too soon, especially a diesel. The engine vibrations play havoc with the gearbox components - the reason newer diesel vehicles use (expensive) dual mass flywheels to both save the gearbox from premature failure and for the manufacturer to use smaller, lighter components in the 'box

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Post by meanchris Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:41 pm

Bulletguy wrote:Not sure which base models people have been having problems with but if we are talking Ford, Germany holds the largest supply of new parts (even my mudflaps had to come from there!), and Poland has an absolute mass of 'recon' parts. Back to gearboxes, in this country we have numerous small Motor Engineers who specialise in refurbing and rebuilding gearboxes. Some Engineers have the ability to manufacture new.

This is just one example which is near where i live;

Staffs Silent Gear Company Ltd
Gear Works
Etruria
Stoke-on-Trent
Staffordshire
ST1 5PR
Tel: 01782 280136

Many won't even have heard of the place. Even a lot of local people don't know of it's existence and if you saw the building, you'd laugh......yet for years it has been the sole supplier of gearing to F1 teams. Now......if they have the capability to turn out that standard of craftsmanship, then i'm damned sure they could cope with refurbing or making any Ford gear parts!

The other natural source of supply of course is breakers yards. I have one in my area which takes in nothing but Transits. 
That's a good link bulletguy, funnily enough one of my customers in Stoke is into hillclimb/trials cars and we were talking about this company a few weeks ago, they are very highly rated.
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Post by Carlo Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:50 pm

It is the Peugoet / Fiat / Citron based vehicles which seem to be the problem. With so many components no longer freeley available enginuity and determination are going to be the order of the day.

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Post by newterry Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:45 pm

Hi all, can I join the 'party' ?
Just had my 1999 reg (1998 built) Harmony (58k miles) returned to the garage with 'crunching' in and out of 3rd gear !
I only recently discovered it had been sitting unused for 9 months over the winter of 1998/9 from the production line when we bought it 'new' in April 1999 so any damage had already started back then.
I had the clutch assembly replaced in 2012 and the LHD water evac pipe from the scuttle put on earlier this year, gear changes have been OK up to now.
1st to 2nd has always been a bit stiff when cold but eased after the new pipe was fitted and the gearbox oil drained and replaced, but a crunchy 3rd gear is new.
Apparently the garage will charge approx £500 to remove and refit the gearbox (7 hours labour) ,the gearbox specialists will charge £180 strip down and rebuild plus £parts. I'm told the ball park figure will be around £1000 as the garage doesn't want to fit a recon unit because of previous issues with other customers.
- anyone seen Father Christmas ???? so_sad

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Post by mikebro Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:49 pm

Bad luck Terry. Exactly what I have been through earlier this year. I do hope your gearbox guy can get hold of a third gear set. They are getting scarce.

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Post by newterry Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:14 pm

So do I ! Thing is, I've just signed a contract for some building work and the little bit of spare in that budget will be going well, you know where.
Still, the garage said the rest of the van is in excellent nick so that's some consolation.
At least the new clutch assembly in 2012 was done under warranty.
I've just had it nut and bolt serviced too and lashed out on a complete front bumper repaint as well as a few other things- if only I'd known what was coming.
But she's my baby and you've gotta do what you've gotta do !
Thanks for the support though, at least I know I'm not alone with this issue.
I would advise ALL AS owners to contact AS with their build numbers and get a production date and match that to the 1st owner date- the time gap could be quite telling given what I found.

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Post by newterry Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:23 pm

Harmony gearbox update-
Just got her back after 2 weeks with a £950 bill made up as follows-
Remove and refit gearbox by my usual garage, approx. 8 hours = £470 inc VAT
Gearbox then sent to specialists, where it was-
1.Stripped, cleaned 2nd & 3rd gears and worn synchros.
2.Replacement gears NOT AVAILABLE, which were then welded and re-machined to regain synchro clearance.
3.Reassembled with new synchros as required. The specialists cost was £450 inc VAT, the balance was for gearbox oil and sundries.

Unfortunately the battery is dead flat so I can't do a test drive until tomorrow,
but probably Southsea for lunch on Wednesday.
As already highlighted there are definitely problems with obtaining gearbox parts which presumably won't get any better.
Fingers crossed, no more 'issues' for a while !!!

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Post by meanchris Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:44 pm

It would be interesting to know which gearbox you have (sorry if you've said previously and I've missed it).

AFAIK there are three main types, I have the much maligned 1st variety - BVM ME - with the gearbox dip stick, which I've recently drained and refilled with fresh oil, along with greasing all the cables and knuckles. This has improved things dramatically, (not just imagined, I did a 270 mile round trip for work last week and it's driving and sounding better), but I dread to think what the availability of parts for this box would be if it broke.

My pal who deals old vans, including Boxers, had never seen this type of gearbox before he checked ours out when we bought it.

It has the often mentioned "clutch rattle". Sometimes when you start the engine it rattles horribly until you de-clutch, sometimes a couple of de-clutches required before it goes quiet.
I'm hoping this isn't a sign of something drastic about to break, (it's been doing it ever since we bought the van, about 2500 miles so far)
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Post by newterry Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:59 pm

I managed to wangle my way into the Peugeot 'Service Box' and get the original build notes based on the Vin.
It says I've got a BVM ME box. Get the longer L6 water evac pipe as well to stop the scuttle water draining on top of the box, makes even more of a difference.
(the full details are elsewhere on the forum) type in 'scuttle drainage'.

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