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Post by Wharfy Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:48 pm

Hi looking for advice 
I have a VW autosleeper Topaz year 1999
Leisure battery is fully charged and everything works on 240 v. 
When on 12v lights work but water pump doesn’t
If lights are on and you turn on the water pump on Zig panel lights go off and nothing works. 
Any help appreciated 
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Post by rgermain Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:12 pm

Some one will be along soon, as plenty of advice about VW on here.

Hope you get it sorted.
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Post by Wharfy Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 pm

Many thanks Richard
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Post by rgermain Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:35 pm

I am surprised you have not got any help yet, maybe out in the sunshine.
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Post by Wharfy Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:51 pm

Possibly. The problem only occurred recently so hoping it will easily be remedied
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Post by Roopert Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:48 pm

It's an unusual one, it seems! Presumably when you turn off the water pump everything else goes back to working normally???

Offhand I can't think of an obvious cause. If it were mine I would put a meter on every part of it, but can't do that remotely!

So... when you are on EHU, all of the 12V appliances work Ok. When disconnected from mains, any higher current appliance causes the 12V supply to fail?

I've seen exactly these symptoms, but in a very specific set of circumstances. It quite likely will not apply to you. Do you have a solar panel?
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Post by KMRTOPAZ Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:00 am

The water pump is possibly stealing all the capacity that the battery can provide !
Check the battery voltage off load and see what effect the pump has on this reading.
A healthy battery should have an off load reading of 12.7v or 12.8 v
The pump should not have a big effect.
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Post by Wharfy Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:19 am

Thank you both for your responses. Yes everything works when on EHU. Battery readings are good 12.7 When I switch off water pump the lights work. No solar panel. Really strange
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Post by Roopert Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:31 pm

Without being able to put test gear on it and measure voltages at various points it's pretty much impossible to diagnose a problem like this from afar.

But I would be looking at whether there is a fault in the connection from the negative side of the lights to the vehicle chassis. Faults like this are typically due to broken ground wires.
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Post by Wharfy Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:53 pm

Ok thank you.....will get someone to check as I have no idea 
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Post by tee_cee Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:59 pm

In the past I've had  a bad connection on a leisure battery fuse which only showed up when the load increased. Easy to spot since there will be heat damage. Also check the relay connections.
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Post by Wharfy Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:11 pm

Many thanks will get this checked out as we're novices. We've taken the front of the Zig panel off and all looks ok there....all was working well last Summer/Autumn and we have regularly taken van out to keep battery charged this year but last week we started to have this problem
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Post by rgermain Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:54 pm

I had a very badly corroded joint under the front seat of our Topaz, yes inside damp? which caused the hazard lights to flash at strange intervals. When I googled it there were loads of others who had the same problem.

Maybe you will get answer on Google, I found that VW's seem to be prone to electrical problems reading on forum sites, although our's was a T5.
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Post by Roopert Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:06 pm

rgermain wrote:I had a very badly corroded joint under the front seat of our Topaz, yes inside damp? which caused the hazard lights to flash at strange intervals. When I googled it there were loads of others who had the same problem.

Agreed - it's a very common issue on pre-2010 T5's (later models did not have that control module under the driver's seat, so no vulnerable loom joint). But it should not have any effect on the habitation electrics, as far as I can tell.
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Post by Wharfy Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:13 pm

It is a mystery. Have checked all fuses and they seem ok
Thanks anyway for suggestions
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Post by Relaxez-Vous Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:34 pm

I'll say at the outset I know nothing about your van. A-S used to supply a wiring digram for their vans, until I suspect they outsources the electrical side to Sargent,

Just suggestions then, with the van off EHU, open a water tap and track back with a volt meter from the pump to its switch. The negative at the pump, looks to be grounded because it works on EHU, but connect a wire from the pump's negative to the chassis to check, does the pump still not come on, if not it's the positive where there's a fault. A switch or fuse are likely to be where there's a fault, a spade connector could also be in the frame. The switch which controls the pump, can you gain access, is the switch receiving power, if not it suggests a fuse issue?
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Post by Wharfy Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:59 pm

Thank you for your suggestion. Tomorrow I'm getting someone to take a look at what you and others on here have suggested to remedy the problem. I will post the results here tomorrow. Fingers crossed it will be an easy fix
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Post by Wharfy Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:48 pm

Not found fault yet but have someone coming with meter in the next few days to check all electrics etc
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Post by Wharfy Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:04 pm

Problem solved. It was a relay switch under the bonnet. Thanks again for your suggestions
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