Nuevo towing
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Nuevo towing
I have a Nuevo Es on a 2.0 Peugeot boxer base on a 53 plate. I wish to fit tow bar and tow a trailer with a small car like s smart four two. The manual specs say I could tow ip to 2000kg but has or is anyone towing on a Nuevo like this and confirm or otherwise suitability and what issues if any?
Many thanks
John
Many thanks
John
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Re: Nuevo towing
As noond has replied I will rephrase this.
I have checked the wrights etc and am ok to tow a small trailer and smart car but what I want to know is whether I will have enough power
In the Peugeot boxer 2.0 hdi (but chipped so it performs like a 2.2hdi) to tow this and be able to drive at reasonable speeds?
I would love to hear from other owners on this!
John
I have checked the wrights etc and am ok to tow a small trailer and smart car but what I want to know is whether I will have enough power
In the Peugeot boxer 2.0 hdi (but chipped so it performs like a 2.2hdi) to tow this and be able to drive at reasonable speeds?
I would love to hear from other owners on this!
John
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Hi John
Can't help directly as we don't tow a trailer, but this might help.
We tow a Skoda Citigo on an A-Frame, and apart from more frequent gear changes on hills, more to protect the clutch than from lack of power, I have no problems at all. It makes the steering very slightly twitchy, but I guess that's to be expected if you are dragging something heavy, but you soon get used to it. The mpg suffers a bit of course, but it rarely drops below 30mpg from a usual 34mpg when solo.
Have you considered an A-Frame? I ask because in many ways it's much more convenient than a trailer - and without the considerable additional weight of same. We can be hitched up and away in about 5 minutes, whereas with a trailer you have all the loading, strapping down, hitching up etc., which takes more like half an hour - plus possible storage problems on site and/or at home etc..
If you don't want to take the car abroad I find an A-Frame far preferable, and verified reports of people having problems with police, even in Spain, are very rare. I have towed a trailer (plus trike) abroad, and it was a pain in the backside on the sort of touring holiday many of us take. Good in the UK where you tend to go to a site and stay for several days at a time.
Hope this helps.
Can't help directly as we don't tow a trailer, but this might help.
We tow a Skoda Citigo on an A-Frame, and apart from more frequent gear changes on hills, more to protect the clutch than from lack of power, I have no problems at all. It makes the steering very slightly twitchy, but I guess that's to be expected if you are dragging something heavy, but you soon get used to it. The mpg suffers a bit of course, but it rarely drops below 30mpg from a usual 34mpg when solo.
Have you considered an A-Frame? I ask because in many ways it's much more convenient than a trailer - and without the considerable additional weight of same. We can be hitched up and away in about 5 minutes, whereas with a trailer you have all the loading, strapping down, hitching up etc., which takes more like half an hour - plus possible storage problems on site and/or at home etc..
If you don't want to take the car abroad I find an A-Frame far preferable, and verified reports of people having problems with police, even in Spain, are very rare. I have towed a trailer (plus trike) abroad, and it was a pain in the backside on the sort of touring holiday many of us take. Good in the UK where you tend to go to a site and stay for several days at a time.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Nuevo towing
You may not find many people here that do this - it's still ~fairly~ rare to see motorhomes towing cars, and I can't recall ever seeing one being towed by such a small van.
Typically the rule will be more complicated than just "it's Ok to tow up to 2000kg", because normally the limit is defined as a max Train Weight. This means that you need to add together the van, the van's payload, the weight of the trailer and the weight of the towed vehicle to get a figure that must be within the Train Weight figure (which is usually the second figure down on the van's load plate).
To state the obvious, you will be towing a load that is roughly an additional half of the van's normal unladen weight, so a 2 litre engine is not going to win you any speed records - but they are designed as goods vehicles, so the performance will probably be just about adequate.
One other factor that people tend to forget: when you get on site, you have to find somewhere to put the trailer while using the car! This may be a further case for an A frame rather than a trailer...
Typically the rule will be more complicated than just "it's Ok to tow up to 2000kg", because normally the limit is defined as a max Train Weight. This means that you need to add together the van, the van's payload, the weight of the trailer and the weight of the towed vehicle to get a figure that must be within the Train Weight figure (which is usually the second figure down on the van's load plate).
To state the obvious, you will be towing a load that is roughly an additional half of the van's normal unladen weight, so a 2 litre engine is not going to win you any speed records - but they are designed as goods vehicles, so the performance will probably be just about adequate.
One other factor that people tend to forget: when you get on site, you have to find somewhere to put the trailer while using the car! This may be a further case for an A frame rather than a trailer...
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Re: Nuevo towing
David and mojo,
Thanks for your responses. We are considering an a frame in U.K. And trailer abroad as the wife doesn't drive and therefore up the creek if plod insists on uncoupling...
I know van is small but we have done many years Europe aires and stellplatz
and getting a little fed up moving van to look Around area, so a smart car would be great, and we don't wNt to revert to caravan...
Cheers
Jkhn
Thanks for your responses. We are considering an a frame in U.K. And trailer abroad as the wife doesn't drive and therefore up the creek if plod insists on uncoupling...
I know van is small but we have done many years Europe aires and stellplatz
and getting a little fed up moving van to look Around area, so a smart car would be great, and we don't wNt to revert to caravan...
Cheers
Jkhn
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That's the crucial point to ponder John. Mrs Gromit does drive, but it wouldn't be much of a holiday if we had to drive "His" and "Hers"!Langfordj1 wrote:And trailer abroad as the wife doesn't drive and therefore up the creek if plod insists on uncoupling...
I know van is small but we have done many years Europe aires and stellplatz
Another consideration might be to get electric bikes?? Everything is a compromise with motorhomes (and caravans) but e-bikes do tick a number of boxes. We have found ours invaluable, and the "e" bit makes the difference between using them or not when there are hills to contend with.
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Hi John
I do like the Nuevo and an considering downsizing as I have a 23ft fixed bed mh at mo and towing my smart car, van is 2007 on a 2.3 ducato multijet (130 bhp) which has no problem at all towing. Usually i get 30 mpg solo and about 22 mpg when towing. The a frame from Car-A-Tow is probably the simplest, cheapest and most reliable and fitted for about £1100 , google it to find a dealer / fitter. Dont be taken in with the Smart System with the electonic box, keep it simple. Hope this helps. cheers Rob.
I do like the Nuevo and an considering downsizing as I have a 23ft fixed bed mh at mo and towing my smart car, van is 2007 on a 2.3 ducato multijet (130 bhp) which has no problem at all towing. Usually i get 30 mpg solo and about 22 mpg when towing. The a frame from Car-A-Tow is probably the simplest, cheapest and most reliable and fitted for about £1100 , google it to find a dealer / fitter. Dont be taken in with the Smart System with the electonic box, keep it simple. Hope this helps. cheers Rob.
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And strictly speaking it's illegal - not that there's much chance of ever being stopped by a policeman who knows the regulations well enough to feel your collar!! Worth being aware of the fact though.yammy wrote:The a frame from Car-A-Tow is probably the simplest, cheapest and most reliable and fitted for about £1100 , google it to find a dealer / fitter. Dont be taken in with the Smart System with the electonic box, keep it simple. Hope this helps. cheers Rob.
Plus it's a massive great 22kg lump which some members would find very difficult to man-handle.
Like everything else "motorhome", it's a personal choice - and usually a compromise!
P.S. We also like the Nuevo. For a small sub 6 metre van I don't think the habitation layout can be bettered. Again however, it's personal choice so (for example) if a fixed bed is a priority, a Nuevo is not for you.
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Thanks to everyone for their replies-we are still considering whether to do this.
We are off to Spain January and will hire a car there to see what a difference having a car available makes to our holiday.
Thanks again everyone.
We are off to Spain January and will hire a car there to see what a difference having a car available makes to our holiday.
Thanks again everyone.
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