Wheel bolt questions

I have a Warwick Duo, which came with alloy wheels as standard and I have two questions regarding the wheel bolts.

1) What is the correct torque for tightening the bolts with the alloy wheels fitted?

2) Can I use the same wheel bolts from the alloy wheels to secure the steel (spare) wheel in the event of a puncture?

I have a table that gives steel wheel tightening figures, it is the alloys that are proving difficult. I did ask Peugeot UK and all they could suggest was for me to ask my local dealer! In fact I have found Peugeot UK to be little better than a bunch of box shifters and for them to have very little knowledge at all about the products that they supply.

Can someone here do better than Peugeot? (Please)

My Broadway is on a Peugeot Boxer MWB chassis which I suspect is the same as yours.
I also have alloy wheels.
The torque setting for them in old money is 110 ft/lbs.

Thanks Backtrax, that figure ties in with another that I have heard.

160 Nm

Pete

Spospe wrote:I have a Warwick Duo, which came with alloy wheels as standard and I have two questions regarding the wheel bolts.

1) What is the correct torque for tightening the bolts with the alloy wheels fitted?

2) Can I use the same wheel bolts from the alloy wheels to secure the steel (spare) wheel in the event of a puncture?

I have a table that gives steel wheel tightening figures, it is the alloys that are proving difficult. I did ask Peugeot UK and all they could suggest was for me to ask my local dealer! In fact I have found Peugeot UK to be little better than a bunch of box shifters and for them to have very little knowledge at all about the products that they supply.

Can someone here do better than Peugeot? (Please)

Hi Item 2.  Yes
Mike

Hi

Are you sure about the wheel bolts.  I had a Peugeot car with alloys and I had to carry different bolts for the spare which was steel.

As far as the torque setting.   I have never torqued my wheels on any vehicle I've owned, having been caught out by some garage gorilla a few years ago.      I do them up as tight as I can by hand and body weight, then I give it a bit more with my foot.    Then I know I can always remove the wheel if I need to.  






Andy  

Hi Andy, I agree and same with me.However just to get back using spare wheel ,i would not worry.
I have never used my torque spanner on my wheel nuts.
However my training was before torque spanners were common.!!
regards

Mike

Hi Andy, I replied a bit to quick.I dont use my foot for tightning only for removing.    
regards

Mike

Hi Peter

The seating in the alloys was different from steel spare,therefore you couldn't tighten the bolts up.


Andy

Hi Andy, I am not Peter, but if its so critical how come The manufacturer does not know??

regards

Mike

It's 160Nm for the 15" alloys on my Symbol.

As advised by my dealer.

G

Hi thats 118 ftlbs in old money.
Its not that critical to a few ft lbs.IMHO.
However the manufacturer should know and should have an answer to the steel verses alloy wheel question.
Has any one else asked ?
I think its the special wheel nuts for the spare that is the mystery  

regards

Mike

Thanks folks, I will go with the 110 lb/ft ... 160 Nm figures. Still not too sure about using the same wheel bolts for both alloy and steel wheels though.

Hi Its a question i woild like the answer to.
However talking with some experience.  
I have had 4 cars with a steel spacesaver in the boot . They all had Alloy wheels as standard. No extra wheel nuts were supplied.
The material of the nut is not so important but the face is. There were different angles used years ago.Maybe when alloy wheels first came out.!
I would not expect a modern vehicle to have different angle nuts supplied when new.If it did it would have to have the correct nuts for both types of wheel as well.
There has been trouble with Mercedes wheel nuts that corrode very easily.
I am sure an ex member in the garage trade ,maybe involved in tyre and wheel sales could put this to bed.
regards

Mike

I MUST look hard at the use of my steel spare before we go away this year! As well as the steel spare I have a small steel plate that the dealer told me should be used if I use the spare. That may be to do with the chamfer angles on the bolts or perhaps the thicknesses of alloy wheels compared with the steel spare.  The dealer could not tell me how the plate is used! Perhaps I should ask Mark at A/S?

Hi Ron, I do not think the converter has anything to do with the wheels.However they may know if the question has been asked before.
I would like to see your spacer. Never heard of that. You would need 4?

thanks

Mike

mikethebike wrote:Hi Ron, I do not think the converter has anything to do with the wheels.However they may know if the question has been asked before.
I would like to see your spacer. Never heard of that. You would need 4?

thanks

Mike

I will post a photo asap. No, just one as I only have one steel wheel -the spare.

When I fitted 4 x new alloys to my van, a new set of wheel-bolts were supplied as well, these were a bit longer due to the thicker wheel.
I considered an alloy spare, but it would get well 'crudded-up' under the van, so I kept the steel one, the downside being that I have to keep a set of original wheel-bolts in the bag with the jack.

inspiredron wrote:I MUST look hard at the use of my steel spare before we go away this year! As well as the steel spare I have a small steel plate that the dealer told me should be used if I use the spare. That may be to do with the chamfer angles on the bolts or perhaps the thicknesses of alloy wheels compared with the steel spare.  The dealer could not tell me how the plate is used! Perhaps I should ask Mark at A/S?

I think that, "the small steel plate" is intended to allow the alloy wheel to be attached to the spare wheel hoist and be winched up under the van. As I understand the situation, the existing hoist will only accommodate steel wheels, hence the plate (and it should come with three special bolts to attach it to the alloy wheel. If I get a puncture, I think that I will just put the defective wheel in the back of the van and take it for repair, rather than mess about with the adaptor.

Spsope, Thats the answer for that plate. I could not get my head round it ,if it was to fit the steel wheel.!!

No reply yet from a garage man. 

Regards

Mike

Hi Spospe,
Just got a Sussex Dou with the aforementioned plate & bolts. Did not know what it was for.  Very grateful for the explanation.
Regarding alloy & steel wheel bolts I have always carried a spare set of steel ones for my car as I was told (but forget by whom) this was necessary.
An interesting question as did not think about it - now will have to buy some for my Sussex
unless an EXPERT tells me different.
Again thanks Spospe

Spospe wrote:

inspiredron wrote:I MUST look hard at the use of my steel spare before we go away this year! As well as the steel spare I have a small steel plate that the dealer told me should be used if I use the spare. That may be to do with the chamfer angles on the bolts or perhaps the thicknesses of alloy wheels compared with the steel spare.  The dealer could not tell me how the plate is used! Perhaps I should ask Mark at A/S?

I think that, "the small steel plate" is intended to allow the alloy wheel to be attached to the spare wheel hoist and be winched up under the van. As I understand the situation, the existing hoist will only accommodate steel wheels, hence the plate (and it should come with three special bolts to attach it to the alloy wheel. If I get a puncture, I think that I will just put the defective wheel in the back of the van and take it for repair, rather than mess about with the adaptor.

AAH!  Now that DOES make sense - I remember now that the plate has 3 holes and 3 bolts.

Thank you!

Regarding the small steel plate for storing alloy wheels. You would think that either AS or Peugeot (or both) would mention it in their handbook for the vehicle wouldn't you? (as far as I have read, neither mentions a word: or have I missed it?)

No you have not missed it in the notes, its just not there! Will need to have a dry run with it b4 before we set off to make sure we know how it works. Thought that was the job of an instruction book.  

I asked Autosleeper about using the same wheel bolts on my spare,
and they informed me the same bolts would fit steel or alloy wheels.
but I will check for myself.