Help please! Van has died
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Help please! Van has died
Hi everybody. I’m looking for some advice.
I bought a 1999 Autosleeper Duetto T445 KGW on 15/05/23 Just under a year ago. I bought it through a broker, Motorhome Depot.com
I paid £15,500
Since then I have done 2171 miles in it. I took it for an MOT yesterday.
The tester abandoned the test immediately saying that the underneath of the vehicle was ‘derelict’ and there was no point going any further with the test. I brought it home and now it sits on my drive.
It has had some welding done, new sills according to the vendor of which I was aware. However the technician told me that the vehicle is rotten and beyond repair.
This is my only vehicle and I spent every spare penny I have on it hoping for a few years travelling and some fun while I still can, I live on a state pension and have a chronic heart condition so I’m trying to enjoy every moment I can.
So now I have no vehicle to get me to hospital visits, shopping, trips to see my family etc and I do not have the money to buy another one. I visited my son who lives in France. I will not longer be able to visit him.
I have had a year of enjoyment from this vehicle and done some of the minor repairs that needed doing, but I feel that £15,500 for 2171 miles is a bit steep. The vehicle can not have decayed that much in the short time I have owned it and must have been faulty to begin with.
What are your thoughts on this?
My Regards
Marc
I bought a 1999 Autosleeper Duetto T445 KGW on 15/05/23 Just under a year ago. I bought it through a broker, Motorhome Depot.com
I paid £15,500
Since then I have done 2171 miles in it. I took it for an MOT yesterday.
The tester abandoned the test immediately saying that the underneath of the vehicle was ‘derelict’ and there was no point going any further with the test. I brought it home and now it sits on my drive.
It has had some welding done, new sills according to the vendor of which I was aware. However the technician told me that the vehicle is rotten and beyond repair.
This is my only vehicle and I spent every spare penny I have on it hoping for a few years travelling and some fun while I still can, I live on a state pension and have a chronic heart condition so I’m trying to enjoy every moment I can.
So now I have no vehicle to get me to hospital visits, shopping, trips to see my family etc and I do not have the money to buy another one. I visited my son who lives in France. I will not longer be able to visit him.
I have had a year of enjoyment from this vehicle and done some of the minor repairs that needed doing, but I feel that £15,500 for 2171 miles is a bit steep. The vehicle can not have decayed that much in the short time I have owned it and must have been faulty to begin with.
What are your thoughts on this?
My Regards
Marc
March A'mer- Member
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Sorry to hear your tale.
At the very least you need a second opinion but, in my opinion, you probably need an independent inspection and legal advice all of which is likely to cost you money unless you have legal cover from an insurance policy such as home insurance.
At the end of the day, we have to remember it’s a 25 year old van which is inevitably going to be far from pristine.
At the very least you need a second opinion but, in my opinion, you probably need an independent inspection and legal advice all of which is likely to cost you money unless you have legal cover from an insurance policy such as home insurance.
At the end of the day, we have to remember it’s a 25 year old van which is inevitably going to be far from pristine.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]You are in a very unfortunate situation and I feel for you.
Looking at the terms from their website it is quite clear they are broker between seller and buyer and not responsible for condition of vehicle. Also they advise the buyer has pre purchase inspection carried out. If you did not do this then I see no way forward from this situation. If you did have vehicle inspected and report did not bring the corrosion to you attention you may have some level of comeback to the inspector.
You have my sympathy but that will not sort your issue. Best wishes .
Looking at the terms from their website it is quite clear they are broker between seller and buyer and not responsible for condition of vehicle. Also they advise the buyer has pre purchase inspection carried out. If you did not do this then I see no way forward from this situation. If you did have vehicle inspected and report did not bring the corrosion to you attention you may have some level of comeback to the inspector.
You have my sympathy but that will not sort your issue. Best wishes .
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Re: Help please! Van has died
MOT Fail 20/04/2023
"Repair immediately (major defects):
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MOT Pass 27/04/2023
"Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
Without the V5C ID Number can't check if same MOT Station.
History of advisories on rear suspension mounts.
Was It actually repaired or daubed up with underseal.
From MOT comments, can't see how "underside Is derelict" Should be repairable.
"Repair immediately (major defects):
- Offside Rear Suspension spring mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength x3 (5.3.6 (a) (i))
- Offside Front Suspension spring mounting prescribed area excessively corroded significantly reducing structural strength (5.3.6 (a) (i))
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MOT Pass 27/04/2023
"Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):
- Rear Brake pipe corroded, covered in grease or other material (1.1.11 (c))
- Nearside Rear Suspension component mounting repair covered in underseal (5.3.6 (a) (i))
- Offside Rear Suspension component mounting repair covered in underseal (5.3.6 (a) (i))"
Without the V5C ID Number can't check if same MOT Station.
History of advisories on rear suspension mounts.
Was It actually repaired or daubed up with underseal.
From MOT comments, can't see how "underside Is derelict" Should be repairable.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
That was the previous MOT, a year ago. The tester yesterday abandoned the test, the underside is daubed with underseal.
March A'mer- Member
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Re: Help please! Van has died
The MOT history to me suggests that there is at least a possibility that when it failed last year, the owner simply plastered underseal over the rust, so that the next tester couldn't see the extent of the corrosion. But you never know, it may have been repaired properly.
What I would do is take it somewhere else. And go ahead with the full MOT test. It's the only way of identifying what the tester's concerns actually are.
What I would do is take it somewhere else. And go ahead with the full MOT test. It's the only way of identifying what the tester's concerns actually are.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Thank you. Good plan.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
"Derelict" does seem a rather untechnical term for a 'technician' to use!
I would agree with those who have suggested getting it looked at elsewhere.
We have had to have several lots of welding done over the years to pass MOTs and the experience has varied depending on the garages used.
Some have had no welding facilities whatsoever and the vehicle has had to be taken elsewhere that had, either with the capability to also then do a fresh MOT (paid for) or else the vehicle was taken back to the original MOT station for a retest (free).
Others have had no inhouse welders but have had an arrangement with a local specialist to come in and work on the vehicle in their workshop, which has the capability to cope with high vehicles, after which the vehicle can be retested.
The garage we have used for services and MOTs for the past few years do have inhouse welding capability although there has sometimes been delays in fitting in the work needed to pass.
The poor undersealing hasn't solved the problem - better to get someone who knows what they are doing to deal with it properly.
Even if it means spending some money on it, in my opinion the hab conversions of AS vans of that era are so much better than later models and in view of the difference in purchase costs to replace it, I believe it to be an investment to do what is needed to keep it going hopefully for another few years.
I would agree with those who have suggested getting it looked at elsewhere.
We have had to have several lots of welding done over the years to pass MOTs and the experience has varied depending on the garages used.
Some have had no welding facilities whatsoever and the vehicle has had to be taken elsewhere that had, either with the capability to also then do a fresh MOT (paid for) or else the vehicle was taken back to the original MOT station for a retest (free).
Others have had no inhouse welders but have had an arrangement with a local specialist to come in and work on the vehicle in their workshop, which has the capability to cope with high vehicles, after which the vehicle can be retested.
The garage we have used for services and MOTs for the past few years do have inhouse welding capability although there has sometimes been delays in fitting in the work needed to pass.
The poor undersealing hasn't solved the problem - better to get someone who knows what they are doing to deal with it properly.
Even if it means spending some money on it, in my opinion the hab conversions of AS vans of that era are so much better than later models and in view of the difference in purchase costs to replace it, I believe it to be an investment to do what is needed to keep it going hopefully for another few years.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Did they charge you for the MOT? If so, you should have had the full test done, and a list if what was wrong. If not, then I would pay for a full MOT and see what it shows up.
Everything is repairable, given time and money. Fortunately for me I do my own welding, but I know how much a garage will charge for that...and many nowadays just don't want the hassle. I do think, given your initial outlay, it would be worth getting done.
Everything is repairable, given time and money. Fortunately for me I do my own welding, but I know how much a garage will charge for that...and many nowadays just don't want the hassle. I do think, given your initial outlay, it would be worth getting done.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
The 2023 MOT should have addressed the excessive corrosion to at least the point that your travels over the last 12 months haven’t shown any major suspension failures.
I would want a completed MOT as a starting position and then explore the extent of welding required to address the MOT as a minimum and what would be required to give some future years of use without more likely welding.
As for redress from the purchase last year, I think you would be wasting time and money as the age at the time of sale and lack of condition reports would indicate that you have accepted the condition as seen.
Not a great outcome but almost certainly the cheapest option is get the rust issues fixed and carry on with enjoying your travels.
I would want a completed MOT as a starting position and then explore the extent of welding required to address the MOT as a minimum and what would be required to give some future years of use without more likely welding.
As for redress from the purchase last year, I think you would be wasting time and money as the age at the time of sale and lack of condition reports would indicate that you have accepted the condition as seen.
Not a great outcome but almost certainly the cheapest option is get the rust issues fixed and carry on with enjoying your travels.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
I think you are perfectly right and this is where I am at now. I have to be practical. I’ve booked a full MOT with a garage that specialises in both welding and Motorhomes so I will take it from there. If they can get it to a state where they and I feel good about it and they are willing and happy to look after it every year, then that’s the way I’ll go.
I've had no support or even response from Motorhome Depot.com.
I've had no support or even response from Motorhome Depot.com.
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Oh, and thank you Autosleeper forum and members for your advice and support, you have been brilliant!
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Re: Help please! Van has died
That's your best option I think. It's a big initial investment, and you want it to last.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
You really need to get a full MOT done and if it still fails on the rear suspension mountings i would contact VOSA as the garage that did the MOT last year are not doing there job correctly and need looking into. Kevin
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Sorry to hear this story.
A big mistake buying without coming on this site.
As you have found out, that firm is really a go between.A private sale in effect.
I have looked at many many vans for sale from XXXdepot.
If no number plates shown in the advert they are stopping you checking the MOT records.
Why would they do that ?
Its buyer beware , Never buy a vehicle without checking the MOT records.
A big expensive learning curve.
Don't go by pictures, you always need to visit and check .
Hope you find a sympathetic garage to fix your van.
regards
Micky
A big mistake buying without coming on this site.
As you have found out, that firm is really a go between.A private sale in effect.
I have looked at many many vans for sale from XXXdepot.
If no number plates shown in the advert they are stopping you checking the MOT records.
Why would they do that ?
Its buyer beware , Never buy a vehicle without checking the MOT records.
A big expensive learning curve.
Don't go by pictures, you always need to visit and check .
Hope you find a sympathetic garage to fix your van.
regards
Micky
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Covering number plates is more to stop cloning than to hide MOT history, a phone call would get the number plate.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Yes that's a stock answer Paul.I found they were very reluctant to give a plate number.
My experience its always done on depot.
Never seen a legit dealer hide number plates.
This a large business that give the impression they are similar to a dealer but cheaper.
Of course if everyone checks like me they would have difficulties selling.
Its basically a fixed price auction.
March A'Mer thought he was dealing with dealer with some rights.
Like many others he did not read the small print.
Its cost him thousands.
Micky
My experience its always done on depot.
Never seen a legit dealer hide number plates.
This a large business that give the impression they are similar to a dealer but cheaper.
Of course if everyone checks like me they would have difficulties selling.
Its basically a fixed price auction.
March A'Mer thought he was dealing with dealer with some rights.
Like many others he did not read the small print.
Its cost him thousands.
Micky
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We bought ours through a motorhome depot, I also was concerned about the reg no being blanked out, but they were happy to provide it. It is important to realise though, that they are literally just a middleman. You have no more rights than you would if you bought straight from the owner as a private sale. Caveat emptor?
We went to view ours and I spent a good while crawling around under it. Lots of receipts for work done. Quite happy...but at the end of the day our Clubman is 27 years old and requires constant maintenance. Fortunately I can do most of it myself. And, even at that, I reckon we have spent a couple thousand on it. (We bought it just before lockdown)
We went to view ours and I spent a good while crawling around under it. Lots of receipts for work done. Quite happy...but at the end of the day our Clubman is 27 years old and requires constant maintenance. Fortunately I can do most of it myself. And, even at that, I reckon we have spent a couple thousand on it. (We bought it just before lockdown)
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Worth remembering that Motorhome Depot is a franchise. Depending on who holds the franchise the level of help and support will vary. When I bought my Hampshire I was very pleased with the support I received which I considered was above and beyond what I expected. Wouldn't want those who do make an effort to be lumped with those who plainly don't.
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Re: Help please! Van has died
We bought our Warwick XL from a very reputable dealer but have had nothing but trouble from them it was sold with a 12 month warranty but every time i contact them with a problem all you get told is " sorry sir that is not covered under the warranty" so unfortunately buying second hand is always a chance. Personally if i could find a van privately it is a better deal as the are normally cheaper as there is no dealer mark up so you if you have a problem the money you saved helps pay to put it right. My opinion. Kevin
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Re: Help please! Van has died
Hi March A’mer any news on your van yet. Kevin
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Re: Help please! Van has died
I was wondering that myself.
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