Towing with a Broadway

We are thinking about towing our Fiat 500 with our Broadway and although we have done some research not sure which is the best method but have realised it's not cheap either!
Can anyone advise which is the best/easiest/safest method and can anyone suggest who are the best installers.
We haven't got a towbar fitted but I've found a local chap who seems quite reasonable.
many thanks 

I got mine done by Armitages in St Albans.

Be very careful of the rear axle loading - you might find you are overweight at the back despite being under the all up weight. Not sure, I seem to recall that the standard Broadway was not recommended for towbar fitment. It might be worth contacting Mark Burdett at A/S service centre to check.

Mine is the one on the Al-Ko chassis and 4 tonnes so there was plenty to spare (about 400Kg in fact) at the back even with bikes on the bike rack. Hope that helps

Checked it out with A/S homologation engineer; because of the overhang and with the added weight of the tow bar and the extra downforce from the towed vehicle, the rear suspension would be compromised.
It would also affect the steering, so no towing for us but glad I didn't just go ahead and have the tow bar done.
I don't recall seeing anything in the literature about towing issues, it would have been nice to know.

Hi, it was in the brochure that I saw when looking - also the. One reason why I got the special edition one with the Al-Ko chassis which has a towing capacity of 1500kg.

I just looked on the technical data and the towing capacity is there

http://www.auto-sleepers.co.uk/coachbuilt/peugeot/technical

Hope that helps  

DuxDeluxe wrote:Hi, it was in the brochure that I saw when looking - also the. One reason why I got the special edition one with the Al-Ko chassis which has a towing capacity of 1500kg.

I just looked on the technical data and the towing capacity is there

http://www.auto-sleepers.co.uk/coachbuilt/peugeot/technical

Hope that helps  

Sorry to bring this article back to life,thought it might be easier than opening a new thread....I have looked at A/S teck page... and their is no mention of max towing weight for the new Broadway el duo i have,any one with any ideas

Weights
[th]Model[/th][th]Maximum Technically Permissable Laden Mass (MTPLM) (a)[/th][th]Mass in Running Order (MRO) (b) *[/th][th]User Payload (=a-b) **[/th][th]Essential Habitation Equipment[/th][th]Maximum Towing Weight ***[/th]

Nuevo EK130bhp	3,300kg	2,935kg	365kg	7kg	1,600kg
Nuevo ES130bhp	3,500kg	3,047kg	453kg	7kg	1,600kg
Broadway EK 130bhp	3,500kg	3,126kg	374kg	7kg	1,600kg
Broadway EK TB LP130bhp	3,500kg	3,029kg	471kg	7kg	1,600kg
Broadway EB130bhp	3,500kg	3,095kg	415kg	7kg	1,600kg
Broadway EL Duo130bhp	3,500kg	3,220kg	280kg	15kg	-
Broadway FB130bhp	3,500kg	3,195kg	305kg	15kg	-
* The Mass In Running Order is the mass of the unladen vehicle including a 75kg allowance for the driver plus engine coolants and 90% of the fuel, gas and water tanks capacity. ** The Maximum User Payload includes: Conventional load, is the allowance for passengers Essential habitation equipment includes items and/or fluids required for safe and proper functioning of the habitation equipment. Optional equipment is items available from the manufacturer over and above the standard specification. Personal effects, items not effected by the above. *** The Gross Train Weight must not be exceeded, please consult with your dealer for more detailed information on towing.

I think that with no weight shown, it means that towing not recommended

Needs to be investigated i think as when i bought it i asked the dealership to fit a tow ball on for me so i could tow a box trailer with a Golwing in it to Spain last Oct:

Looked further before i phone A/S on Moday and come up with this...what does it mean Max Towing Weight 130bhp?

[th]Technical Data[/th]

Berths	2
Rear belted seats	0
Profile Type	Low
Overall length	7165mm 23' 6"
Overall width, mirrors folded	2320mm 7' 7"
Overall width, mirrors extended	2690mm 8' 10"
Overall height, with TV aerial	2930mm 9' 7''
Maximum Technically Permissable Laden Mass (MTPLM) (a)130bhp	3,500kg
Mass in Running Order (MRO) (b) *130bhp	3,220kg
User Payload (=a-b) **130bhp	280kg
Essential Habitation Equipment130bhp	15kg
Maximum Towing Weight ***130bhp

Hi there,

I think it is referring to a particular engine size.   i.e. the base vehicles with a 130 brake horse power engine.

Hope this helps.   

Best regards,
 

According to the latest AS brochure the max towing weight for the EL Duo is 1600kg but it also states 'the gross train weight must not be exceeded' which is set by Peugeot.
Have a look in the base vehicle handbook for gtw.

Good luck

On the website the EL Duo and FB says no towing weights.......... so not suitable for towing, presumably due to the axle loading and overhang plus payload issues.

Phoned Autosleeper today regarding why the FB & EL DUO do not have any vehicle towing weight but the tecnical bods are not back till Monday...was put through to the service dept,a chap there assured me those vehicles are unsuitable for towing and my dealership shoud have verified this before fitting towball and selling me this vehicle,i then phoned the dealership and explained this,they rung me back 10mins later to say they have contacted A/S and have been assured you can tow with these 2 vehicles and i will be recieving a letter stateing this from A/S on Monday.

Firstly.. Where did this chap come from who says you can tow?...tec:spec says nothing?..service dept says not suitable? and dealership says A/S are responsable.

Sorry to hear the conflicting information. It will be interesting to see what they say in this forthcoming letter

Got in touch with A/S today now they are back from the xmas hols.and spoke with a very nice chap that has assured me that you can tow with the el duo and fb to a max of 1600kg and in their latest brochure it does state this but at present not on the web site.Aparantly Peugeot recomend 6000kg total pulling weight,so add weight of body inc: full tanks and cupboards+2 people and you are left with xxx so they give 1600kg as an under guide.In my particular circumstances my twin wheel box trailer weighs around 500kg then the Goldwing at 800kg total is 1300kg so still well under A/S recomended weights.

Result!

Hi, I've got the A/S Sigma EL same as the Broadway and would like to tow a Peugeot 107. Do you know the guys name you spoke with at A/S please.

Hi deka,
           This is an extract from an email i recieved from a Dave Williams who is the sales director..

The MTPLM of your Broadway EL Duo is 3500kg but the overall train weight for the Peugeot Boxer chassis we use is 6000kg which is shown on the chassis weight plate under the bonnet. This in theory means a towing capacity of 2500kg but this is reduced to 1600kg after allowing for the rear overhang of the Motorhome.

The combined weight of the Goldwing with your trailer was clarified has being circa 1250kg so with this in mind even with your Broadway EL Duo fully loaded the combined train weight would only be circa 4750kg which is well inside the capabilities of your Motorhome.

In my opinion it does seem to clarify everything hope it does with you..let us know how you get on

Thanks for the reply, Deka

Hi, I've just spoken to Peter Kingsnorth at A/S ( Tech on Towing ) and he confirms that the Sigma EL is the same body as the Broadway EL, ie just a change of name. He also told me that if I got a reputable manufacturer to fit the towbar to my Sigma and A frame to my Peugeot 107 at the same time, and also kept within the legal weight limit of the back axle then there would be no problem. I also stressed to Peter that I only fill my water tanks on site and don't carry the kitchen sink ect under the back seats.

Watling engineers of St Albans have been talking to A/s on my behalf and have a solution ( talk to Ben at Watling)

Watling did the Towbar on my Broadway (Al-Ko, not the standard chassis) and did a very good job. I would recommend them and would certainly use them next time around as well

Just towed peugeot 106 with new Broadway LP EK and went okay for me. Will be having the suspension fitted with air assist as the body sway whan towing is noticeable. 2.2 engine pulled okay but will for sure have the engine upgrade next time.

Welcome to the elite forum, David (no Woodchuck?)!
I missed your first couple of posts.

G

Watling did my tow bar last week as now tow bars have to be type approved. Good job and freindly outfit. had a good talk with the owner about towing and all things motorhome.
David preferred. Woodchuck is a name I inherited from my days in the Middle East.