Tyre Pressure Monitor

Very, very useful. Thanks.
Cymro

Does the 2015 Peugeot use the same sensor system as the 2019 Chassis.

There was a lot said on the Caravan Club - Club Together - Discussions and a lot of confusion, in 2019. People join in and don't tell the 'van year and give definitive solutions based on their car.

It was said that the 2015, 2016 Peugeot Models had a system which depends on Tyre Rotation to calculate the Pressure by Size, I have no idea how reliable that information is.

As I understand it the 2019 model does not use rotation.

Caraman wrote:

Cymro will know as his 2015 model was probably amongst the first to be supplied by A-S with a TPMS but I am pretty sure it has battery powered pressure sensors in each wheel like the current models.  The other TPMS system which I have on my car does not sense the tyre's pressure so there is no setting of its trigger pressures as there is with our models.  Once the driver has inflated his tyres, he sets or initialises the system.  The car's electronics will then pick up very small changes in the rotational speed of one wheel compared to the rest which can be caused by that tyre's circumference reducing due to it deflating more quickly than the rest.  It then alarms.  On my car it doesn't tell you which tyre it is so you have to get out and look and listen and use a tyre pressure gauge.  In my experience 50% of alarms are false but for the 50% that are not false, it's a pretty good system but maybe less accurate/sensitive than the battery powered wheel pressure sensor system and of course it doesn't tell you the pressure.  It also doesn't detect a gradual and equal deflation of all four tyres as there will be no difference between the rotational speed of the four wheels but then TPMSs are not fitted for that purpose. 

Well what a carve up.

I have gone to Cymro's cup of coffee thread. The methods that Caraman used don't seem to have worked for a long time for Cymro. Its in the dust cap, its done by wheel rotation, there is a button in the glove box.

I cant remember if I have read the thread before, I don't think it will be of any help, I might need something stronger than coffee.

Well this has turned in to quite an interesting subject.

What happens if you fit the spare wheel? What happens if you swap the 2 front wheels over?

I will report back on what happens when ATS sort mine.

I have a relative in the Tyre Wholesale business, they sell the valves, and have a hand held device to clone to existing numbers.  Unfortunately they only sell them , to the trade, i must find out how many they sell.

Mike187 wrote:These are replacement valve sensors for boxer vans 2014 onwards https://tpmswarehouse.co.uk/shop/peugeot-tpms/peugeot-boxer-tpms/peugeot-boxer-2014-replacement-tpms-sensor/ 

Mike

Those look like valve mounted ones, my valves don't look like that. 433 MHz aye that means I should be able to hear the tyres talking to the Computer, and block the signal, bit old hat I thought 433 MHz stuff, big compliance problems. There is all sorts of old junk on 433.

Weren't we told that X290 our ones were square boxes inside the tyre.

Richard G wrote:Well this has turned in to quite an interesting subject.

What happens if you fit the spare wheel? What happens if you swap the 2 front wheels over?

I will report back on what happens when ATS sort mine.

I have a relative in the Tyre Wholesale business, they sell the valves, and have a hand held device to clone to existing numbers.  Unfortunately they only sell them , to the trade, i must find out how many they sell.

Got me thinking now - the garage just told me they rotated the tyres at its service 

gpilky wrote:

Richard G wrote:Well this has turned in to quite an interesting subject.

What happens if you fit the spare wheel? What happens if you swap the 2 front wheels over?

I will report back on what happens when ATS sort mine.

I have a relative in the Tyre Wholesale business, they sell the valves, and have a hand held device to clone to existing numbers.  Unfortunately they only sell them , to the trade, i must find out how many they sell.

Got me thinking now - the garage just told me they rotated the tyres at its service 

Aha interesting. Do you now have TPMS problems.

I've been reading these threads on TPMS with some interest. Clearly the Peugeot system is not really fit for purpose as it essentially forces the owner of the van to drive with over-inflated tyres. This can be just as dangerous as driving with under inflated tyres as there will be insufficient rubber contact with the road and this will affect grip. Also handling will be affected.

Every system I have ever had on a car allows me to choose the pressure depending on the usage. The plate normally has two pressures - fully laden (4 people and luggage) and lightly laden (passenger and driver). You inflate the tyres to the correct pressure for your use, then set the TPMS - this then lets you know if it deviates from your set pressure.

Like many of you, I've compared my MH weights against the manufacturers recommended pressures and they are over inflated. Many on here have also commented that handling improves when the pressures are set according to the tyre manufacturers pressures. I'd like to reduce the pressures to the recommended levels, but essentially the Peugeot system prevents me from doing that (especially if the warning light results in a MOT failure).

The Peugeot system is, therefore, forcing me to drive the vehicle in an unsafe condition.

gpilky wrote:I've been reading these threads on TPMS with some interest. Clearly the Peugeot system is not really fit for purpose as it essentially forces the owner of the van to drive with over-inflated tyres. This can be just as dangerous as driving with under inflated tyres as there will be insufficient rubber contact with the road and this will affect grip. Also handling will be affected.

Every system I have ever had on a car allows me to choose the pressure depending on the usage. The plate normally has two pressures - fully laden (4 people and luggage) and lightly laden (passenger and driver). You inflate the tyres to the correct pressure for your use, then set the TPMS - this then lets you know if it deviates from your set pressure.

Like many of you, I've compared my MH weights against the manufacturers recommended pressures and they are over inflated. Many on here have also commented that handling improves when the pressures are set according to the tyre manufacturers pressures. I'd like to reduce the pressures to the recommended levels, but essentially the Peugeot system prevents me from doing that (especially if the warning light results in a MOT failure).

The Peugeot system is, therefore, forcing me to drive the vehicle in an unsafe condition.

Exactly the same here. This has been going on for years, it is not so much the Peugeot system, it is that result of Auto Sleepers no carrying out the Second Stage Type Approval fully.
We are writing letters to the CEO of A/S the NCC and the VCA and any other body you can think of now is the time to join in. As you say it is a Safety Issue.

I don't wish to mix up this thread, but there are two issues being addressed:

1. [the more important one] AS's refusal to re-plate at Second Stage, so that the TPMS is set to pressures far higher on the front axle than those recommended by tyre manufacturers; and 

2. TPMS valves.  I flagged this up in 2015. I've just seen that "Cymro will know as his 2015 model was probably amongst the first to be supplied by A-S with a TPMS but I am pretty sure it has battery powered pressure sensors in each wheel like the current models. " I confess not!  My tyres haven't been removed from new, so I don't know what sort of valve / sensor I have on my March 2015 NuevoES.  But I'll be very interested to know. Will Peugeot sell me the correct valves for my friendly local tyre dealer (with whom I've been dealing for 30+ years) to fit? Must I change the valves - metal, unlike plastic / rubber car ones - when changing the tyres?

Cymro

My van failed the MOT because the tpms wouldn't reset after the tyres were blown up, I asked the Peugeot dealer to inflate them for me as being disabled I can't manage it myself (I found out recently that kwik fit will inflate tyres free of charge for the disabled (good to know) anyway, it failed the MOT and I was charged £50+ pounds for it to go on the diagnostic machine, that didn't show a fault, and were talking about replacing the system, I said can't you just remove it, no was the answer, they cleared the cache  and all was well.
But they can't adjust the pressure and the van bounces along the road.
Pete

I was wondering if anyone has had to replace the TPMS on the Boxer? According to Mr Google, some systems are intelligent and just require an extended drive, but others require a OBD reprogram. Curios if anyone has had to do this and how it was done?

Does any one with a MB based AS conversion have TPMS fitted and how does it work. The one on my MB E Class is great. pump the tyres to the pressures you want, then through the steering wheel button access the on board computer, click OK, pressures set.