Additional safe key?

just about to do a month long random tour of Europe and am getting slightly twitchy about having only 1 key  for our Broadway safe. 
It is a mechanical lock, not electronic.   A second key would be useful.

Query: 
Does anyone have experience of obtaining a duplicate key for a non-electronic safe used by Autosleeper? 
(Yes, I have tried locksmith and keycutter shops)

Thanks

Very surprised you only have 1 key.  We were given 2 when our van was new. Also surprised that you have been unable to get a duplicate. Have you tried a security firm? I presume that it is the double sided blank that is difficult to source at a normal key cutter.

My safe key is a Euro Lock with a 3 figure number, exactly like this one. If you have a number in yours then you can get from this dealer by post...

https://www.fastkeys.co.uk/keys/man/EUROLOCKS/801-1000/217

Can't believe high street keyshops can't get a blank.

My safe key looks like a mortise lock key but has two blocks of wards on opposite sides of the key's shaft. The larger block is plain with 6 or 7 levers while the smaller block opposite has a keyway as well as 7 levers.  It's number has 7 digits.

I’m supposed to have a safe but never found it.

chrisk wrote:I’m supposed to have a safe but never found it.

Hi chrisk, apologies for what seems a silly question, but do you possess any keys relating to a safe? Regards.

Paramedic wrote:

chrisk wrote:I’m supposed to have a safe but never found it.

Hi chrisk, apologies for what seems a silly question, but do you possess any keys relating to a safe? Regards.

No other spare keys, I think they forgot or stopped fitting a safe in mine.

Ok, I only ask as our previous Broadway ES similar to your Berkshire had the safe below floor level under offside locker made obvious by the metal lid flush to the floor.

Not a good idea to post safe locations in various models on s forum. Scrotes read forums to pick up that sort of information!

Thanks for responses. 
Mine is also a double sided mortice type key. 5 digit serial number. 
Chrisk- Location is given in the Autosleeper user manual. Also has the comment “if fitted”, so you may not have one. 
Just spoke to Autosleeper parts department and was told no replacement keys available, no blanks as safe mass produced in China (not sure how that logic works!). 
Interestingly, they did not ask any questions about which type of safe I had. My understanding from forums is that they use manual and electronic versions and using at least two totally different key types. 
Ongoing.....

Casagodfrey wrote:Thanks for responses. 
Mine is also a double sided mortice type key. 5 digit serial number. 
Chrisk- Location is given in the Autosleeper user manual. Also has the comment “if fitted”, so you may not have one. 
Just spoke to Autosleeper parts department and was told no replacement keys available, no blanks as safe mass produced in China (not sure how that logic works!). 
Interestingly, they did not ask any questions about which type of safe I had. My understanding from forums is that they use manual and electronic versions and using at least two totally different key types. 
Ongoing.....

Update: no replacement key for me, it appears. 
 - Keycutter types can’t supply.
 - Proper locksmiths can’t supply/source a suitable blank either. 
 - Auto-Sleepers parts department sloped shoulders on the issue, not a good indication of forward/aftermarket planning on their part. 

Final possibility is to get the key 3D scanned by a friendly metrologist and get one or two machined from solid using a suitable material. Sounds a bit like a potential student project! 
Ongoing.......

Good point Roopert but maybe a little flawed. Agreed that generally cheaper goods are available from Far East/China. Having worked with manufacturing companies in that zone, I am aware that, alongside the stack ‘em high/sell ‘em cheap merchants, there is also good solid engineering capability. Above all though is the desire to win business. 
On the discussion of safe keys, the Chinese safe supplier will probably have used components from a number of sources, possibly ranging from larger manufacturers to their equivalent of a bloke with a machine in a railway arch.
My point is that AS could have included a requirement for a few key blanks in their order (to be fair, they may have done and have just run out). During the manufacturing process, the blanks already existed in volume. They only became specific when machined to a batch pattern. There is probably a poor soul somewhere sat on  batch of unwanted key components. We are talking very small bucks in this scenario.  
Apologies for going on....just retired and still adjusting to it!

Don't know the safe or construction but would it be possible to fit a new lock?

I found these on Aliexpress. They look like they might suit as I compared the dimensions with my safe key but cant be sure. Hope it helps

Ed

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32422122966.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.30ab7ea74pdgBJ&algo_pvid=d4d1ada2-6173-4624-afba-c3f347000888&algo_expid=d4d1ada2-6173-4624-afba-c3f347000888-0&btsid=f27d1f35-85bc-4dbe-acdb-f827c91dbcca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1,searchweb201603_53

eps wrote:I found these on Aliexpress. They look like they might suit as I compared the dimensions with my safe key but cant be sure. Hope it helps

Ed

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32422122966.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.30ab7ea74pdgBJ&algo_pvid=d4d1ada2-6173-4624-afba-c3f347000888&algo_expid=d4d1ada2-6173-4624-afba-c3f347000888-0&btsid=f27d1f35-85bc-4dbe-acdb-f827c91dbcca&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1,searchweb201603_53

Did you means these? 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32750315276.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.3.5fde45b4fn8XKx&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.90158.0&scm_id=1007.13339.90158.0&scm-url=1007.13339.90158.0&pvid=26edf74e-949b-49c5-b420-7ae771a694ec

PLOUGHLIN: nope. Mine looks like a double sided mortice key. 
 Not a problem now. Too late for this trip away and I will get one made from solid when I return at the end of 
September.
thanks for all responses.

EPS: they certainly look similar. Will check them out when I return to uk. Thanks.

Casagodfrey wrote:EPS: they certainly look similar. Will check them out when I return to uk. Thanks.

A new key will cost you well over £30 that's if you can get one when we had our Warwick Duo it didn't have a safe so they fitted a digital safe from Argos £29.95 and no keys to worry about. Just another idea. 

Is the safe lock a deadlock or latch. Is it possible to push the safe to lock without the key

skippeje wrote:Is the safe lock a deadlock or latch. Is it possible to push the safe to lock without the key

First post and asking about security in our vans, sorry but I wouldn't  expect an answer.

Paulmold wrote:

skippeje wrote:Is the safe lock a deadlock or latch. Is it possible to push the safe to lock without the key

First post and asking about security in our vans, sorry but I wouldn't  expect an answer.

Point taken. It’s just that we have just bought it and might have accidentally locked the keys in the safe! So just trying to find out if that’s possible

If it has a key, I very much doubt it can be locked without the key but as you can read above, several different  styles have been fitted.


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