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Post by micro Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:15 pm

hi 
i need help understanding payloads
    took my Nuevo to the wadebridge
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first weight: front axel        1280
second weight both axels    3600


75 % water =75kg 
full calor gas   15kg
myself           104 kg


how much can i carry  i would like to take her indoors

help ?   micro
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Post by PLOUGHLIN Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:24 pm

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Post by PLOUGHLIN Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:32 pm

What is your MAM Maximum Authorised Mass. If it is 3500kg you are overloaded.

There should be a weight plate on the van somewhere, under the bonnet or inside driver's door jamb?

It should show 4 weights, MAM, Max train weight ie towing, max front axle weight and max rear axle weight. You are not allowed to exceed any of the values.

Looking at a Nuevo  AS handbook, it shows MAM 3500 kg, MTW 5300 kg, Max front  1750 kg, Max rear 2000kg.

From your figures the front is well in even low, but the rear at 2320 kg is well overloaded. Have you got something heavy hanging on the rear?

http://www.auto-sleepers.com/media/2014/12/Nuevo-II-2009-handbook.pdf


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Post by -mojo- Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:33 pm

What does the Technical Specification (typically Section 8) of your Owner's Manual say?

It ~probably~ says that you maximum mass is 3500kg, your max front axle load is 1750kg and your max rear axle load is 2000kg.

If the example given above (taken from an actual 2009 Nuevo Owners Manual) is correct, your rear axle is overloaded by 320kg, and you also exceed the overall vehicle limit by 100kg.

[Edit - posted while Ploughlin was replying but a bit slower - but effectively the same conclusion.]
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Post by Guest Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:11 am

unless you're on the 'heavy' chassis (prob not an option on Nuevo) you are severely overloaded, as above...

you say, what can I carry?....is the van empty apart from the water, gas. and yourself? if so, something is not right or you have a motor scooter on a rear mounted rack....
this van is so rear biased, it must be a pig to dive....illegally...
more info please, a tiddly van like this shouldn't weigh anything like the above numbers...
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Post by micro Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:31 am

the plate under the bonnet is 

gvm   3500
gtm   5800
ax1    1750
ax2    2000

weighed with
myself 104kg
75 kg water 2alloy chairs a table  
solar panel on roof
tv small flat screen 
Tow Bar

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Post by meanchris Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:46 am

Is the waste tank empty?
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Post by PLOUGHLIN Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:48 am

Based on what you say was in/on the van when weighed, the total weight you gave in the first post can't be correct. I suggest you have it reweighed, assuming you haven't mistyped the figures.

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Post by meanchris Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:10 pm

Agreed, I had our 7m Rapido weighed the other day.

With two up (140kg), 1/4 tank of fuel (20kg), awning, snipe satellite, TV, solar panel, and a few odds 'n' ends like crockery and saucepans (20kg-ish), it was bang on 3200kg.

MTPLM 3500.
UW supposed to be max 3050.
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Post by -mojo- Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:45 pm

I would think it has to be an error when writing down the second weight - 2600 kg seems possible with no payload on board.
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Post by PLOUGHLIN Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:17 pm

2600kg seems too low, MIRO is about 2900kg. 3000kg more likely.

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Post by mikethebike Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:24 pm

Hi .My last van weighed   1400 and 2060  =3460 just in.
Your figures     are          1280 and 2320  =  3600  100 over at 3500.
No room for wife hugegrins  Get rid of some back end weight.

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Post by PLOUGHLIN Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:55 pm

On the wife? hugegrins

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Post by micro Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:44 pm

well  thanks to all
went back to the weighbridge 
reweighed


first weight  1340kg
second         3080kg
net weight    1740kg

available load 2220kg

phew that's better

once again thanks,  micro
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Post by PLOUGHLIN Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:07 pm

When you say "available load 2220kg" are you thinking you can load up to 5300 kg, because you can't, 3500 kg is your limit ie 420 kg left to put on.

5300 kg is the max train weight ie 3500 kg fully loaded van including trailer nose weight plus maximum 1800 kg trailer weight.

Or are you just messing with us?

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Post by BornAgain Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:42 pm

My Broadway with driver plus passenger, 20 litre (10kg) gas, 100 litre water, 25 litre waste, full diesel tank, and fully packed ready to go weighs 3440kg (front axle 1500kg). We weigh 70kg and 60kg.
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Post by micro Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:12 pm

PLOUGHLIN wrote:When you say "available load 2220kg" are you thinking you can load up to 5300 kg, because you can't, 3500 kg is your limit ie 420 kg left to put on.

5300 kg is the max train weight ie 3500 kg fully loaded van including trailer nose weight plus maximum 1800 kg trailer weight.

Or are you just messing with us?
now i get
thank you
just don't understand (mam, running order , mtplm, GVM,  ect ) different each time

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Post by groundhog Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:32 pm

Which weighbridge did you use by the way, we are in Cornwall too!
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Post by micro Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:16 pm

groundhog wrote:Which weighbridge did you use by the way, we are in Cornwall too!
kernow grain services ltd
just near Victoria services on the Bugle  road, sat nav TA5 2PL  £10 charge
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