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Swivel seat
Hi simple question how do you swivel the drivers seat without catching the hande break.at the moment I have to lower it .not ideal.
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Re: Swivel seat
I release the swivel catch and as I start turning (anti-clockwise) I slide the seat forward. May not work with your van ![up!](/users/3014/30/14/83/smiles/3459062273.gif)
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Re: Swivel seat
I’m afraid it is a issue that’s a pain in the ****
On level ground I put the engine in gear after I’ve have turned off the engine, leave hand brake off until I have swivelled the seat then apply the hand brake.
If you are on wheel ramps I chock the wheels as well.
I think someone on this forum did modify the handbrake so it engaged lower down so as to not foul the seat mechanism.
This would of course make it lower but more difficult while driving.
Good luck
On level ground I put the engine in gear after I’ve have turned off the engine, leave hand brake off until I have swivelled the seat then apply the hand brake.
If you are on wheel ramps I chock the wheels as well.
I think someone on this forum did modify the handbrake so it engaged lower down so as to not foul the seat mechanism.
This would of course make it lower but more difficult while driving.
Good luck
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Re: Swivel seat
It might have been me Terry, but I didn't lower the handbrake, I angled it away from the seat a bit.
I modified mine quite easily.
Undo the top two nuts and bolts holding the handbrake assembly onto its bracket.
Insert two or three washers in between the bracket and the handbrake assembly to angle it toward the driver's door. (It doesn't need to be angled by more than a very few degrees.)
Test, and alter the thickness of the washers as necessary until the seat just clears, and you are satisfied.
It worked well for me, and made hardly any difference to the feel of the handbrake in operation.
Hope this helps.
I modified mine quite easily.
Undo the top two nuts and bolts holding the handbrake assembly onto its bracket.
Insert two or three washers in between the bracket and the handbrake assembly to angle it toward the driver's door. (It doesn't need to be angled by more than a very few degrees.)
Test, and alter the thickness of the washers as necessary until the seat just clears, and you are satisfied.
It worked well for me, and made hardly any difference to the feel of the handbrake in operation.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Swivel seat
Same issue on my Nuevo, I slide seat forward fully and backrest upright and swivel (i think) clockwise. Took me a while to work out but it does work. Not good design though!Mids wrote:Hi simple question how do you swivel the drivers seat without catching the hande break.at the moment I have to lower it .not ideal.
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Difficult to point the finger though.Richard G wrote:Same issue on my Nuevo, I slide seat forward fully and backrest upright and swivel (i think) clockwise. Took me a while to work out but it does work. Not good design though!
Peugeot designed the handbrake for a lower, non swivelling seat and it worked perfectly.
Messrs A/S (and others) want to fit a seat swivel to enhance the usability of the cab seats, and they are left with little option in how to achieve this.
Difficult to conceive of a practical and cost effective solution????
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Re: Swivel seat
Gromit wrote:Difficult to point the finger though.Richard G wrote:Same issue on my Nuevo, I slide seat forward fully and backrest upright and swivel (i think) clockwise. Took me a while to work out but it does work. Not good design though!
Peugeot designed the handbrake for a lower, non swivelling seat and it worked perfectly.
Messrs A/S (and others) want to fit a seat swivel to enhance the usability of the cab seats, and they are left with little option in how to achieve this.
Difficult to conceive of a practical and cost effective solution????
No, MB does it with a handbrake lever that having been pulled up to apply the brake the handle is returned to the floor to allow free swivel room.
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Re: Swivel seat
Something new learned every day Peter!
I imagine it's a bit of a stretch to reach it near the floor though.![scratch head](/users/3014/30/14/83/smiles/256783.gif)
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I imagine it's a bit of a stretch to reach it near the floor though.
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Re: Swivel seat
they used to be called 'fly off handbrakes' (probably still are) and (along with MB) Renault has been using them on the Master for many years.
you can by retro fit items on ebay and similar...
you can by retro fit items on ebay and similar...
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Re: Swivel seat
bolero boy wrote:they used to be called 'fly off handbrakes' (probably still are) and (along with MB) Renault has been using them on the Master for many years.
you can by retro fit items on ebay and similar...
Not a "fly off "hand brake at all. Still have to raise and push in button to release from pawl. Mechanism for a "fly off" is totally different.
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Re: Swivel seat
Quite correct Peter.PLOUGHLIN wrote:bolero boy wrote:they used to be called 'fly off handbrakes' (probably still are) and (along with MB) Renault has been using them on the Master for many years.
you can by retro fit items on ebay and similar...
Not a "fly off "hand brake at all. Still have to raise and push in button to release from pawl. Mechanism for a "fly off" is totally different.
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I used "fly offs" in my (very) amateur rallying days.
To put the handbrake on you raised it and held the button in while letting go, and it stayed up.
To release it you just gave it a snatch and it "flew off". The clue is in the name!
The advantage being it was much quicker to release with a quick snatch, than having to pull up and press the button.
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Re: Swivel seat
Then i stand corrected.
the design i was thinking of that id seen in the Renault could 'rest' in the down position even though the handbrake was on....apparently called 'folding' handbrake..
is that how you would describe yours, Peter.
the design i was thinking of that id seen in the Renault could 'rest' in the down position even though the handbrake was on....apparently called 'folding' handbrake..
is that how you would describe yours, Peter.
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Mids wrote:Hi simple question how do you swivel the drivers seat without catching the hande break.at the moment I have to lower it .not ideal.
I suspect your 2019 Broadway must be different to our 2014 Broadway since we have no problem swivelling the seats. It is necessary to push / pull the seats as far forward as they will go- ie towards the steering wheel- and then they swivel very smoothly with nothing to catch on. I find leaning down to release the little red locking lever under the seat is easier if done from outside but I can do it from inside and my OH, with longer arms, always does it from inside.
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Re: Swivel seat
bolero boy wrote:Then i stand corrected.
the design i was thinking of that id seen in the Renault could 'rest' in the down position even though the handbrake was on....apparently called 'folding' handbrake..
is that how you would describe yours, Peter.
MB option list - BE2 - Handbrake Lever, Foldable.
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Re: Swivel seat
I am sure the 2019 Broadway cab is no different to my 2019 Nuevo cab. This is what I do:
Release steering wheel column and push in.
Rotate seat anti-clockwise until the back of the seat hits the hand brake
Slide the seat forward and continue to rotate it until it hits the bed base
Slide the seat backwards and continue to rotate it into position
It's tight and the seat ends up touching the hand brake but there is no need to release the handbrake.
Release steering wheel column and push in.
Rotate seat anti-clockwise until the back of the seat hits the hand brake
Slide the seat forward and continue to rotate it until it hits the bed base
Slide the seat backwards and continue to rotate it into position
It's tight and the seat ends up touching the hand brake but there is no need to release the handbrake.
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Re: Swivel seat
"I am sure the 2019 Broadway cab is no different to my 2019 Nuevo cab."
i would agree with this, in that the earlier photo is exactly as both my Boleros (essentially same base) worked.
i also checked my own van yesterday....slightly different format but same seat base location with similar (Aguti) cab seats...
however, i dont have a problem with the seat hitting the handbrake when fully swivelled, so i had a closer look to try and see why that might be.
then i noticed the difference....when the chair is fully swivelled, it 'moves' inwards slightly (1.5" perhaps) away from the handbrake and towards the centre of the van.
i checked the passenger seat and it did the same...
i wondered how this could be happening, although i was pleased that it was as the seat did not foul the handbrake as it turned...
closer inspection revealed a clever bit of geometry and engineering...
the 'swivel plate' was fitted slightly offset (say 3/4" or so) towards the centre of the van (as was the one on the passenger seat) meaning both seats eased slightly towards the centre as they are swivelled.
this creates just enough space for the seat to miss the handbrake, and to give more elbow room once parked up.
the fact that the seats are slightly 'closer' to each other once swivelled doesnt seem to make any difference and seems a good trade of for extra elbow room and reduced issues with the handbrake.
ive not seen this on any other van before...
i was wondering if the location of the plate can be 'user adjusted' in any way for other seats.....?
i would agree with this, in that the earlier photo is exactly as both my Boleros (essentially same base) worked.
i also checked my own van yesterday....slightly different format but same seat base location with similar (Aguti) cab seats...
however, i dont have a problem with the seat hitting the handbrake when fully swivelled, so i had a closer look to try and see why that might be.
then i noticed the difference....when the chair is fully swivelled, it 'moves' inwards slightly (1.5" perhaps) away from the handbrake and towards the centre of the van.
i checked the passenger seat and it did the same...
i wondered how this could be happening, although i was pleased that it was as the seat did not foul the handbrake as it turned...
closer inspection revealed a clever bit of geometry and engineering...
the 'swivel plate' was fitted slightly offset (say 3/4" or so) towards the centre of the van (as was the one on the passenger seat) meaning both seats eased slightly towards the centre as they are swivelled.
this creates just enough space for the seat to miss the handbrake, and to give more elbow room once parked up.
the fact that the seats are slightly 'closer' to each other once swivelled doesnt seem to make any difference and seems a good trade of for extra elbow room and reduced issues with the handbrake.
ive not seen this on any other van before...
i was wondering if the location of the plate can be 'user adjusted' in any way for other seats.....?
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Ingenious bit of engineering thought, Chris, I like that. Top marks to someone. I don't mind the swivelling as I described above but I do wish that when the passenger seat is facing into the van, I would like to be able to slide it further back as I have about a foot of spare space between the backrest and the "dashboard" (giving my age away)!! My van is non autosleeper but ducato based. Must have a look at the swivelling mechanism and see what can be done. ![up!](/users/3014/30/14/83/smiles/3459062273.gif)
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Bob, the first photo shows the seat swivelled (looking to the front) and the way the seat has 'moved' to the left...
the second photo is from the rear of the seat (facing forward) showing the 'hole' more towards the left (central) side, so that any rotation will 'pull' the seat slightly in that direction.
good luck with any potential mod...
![Swivel seat Image30](https://i.servimg.com/u/f87/19/83/96/90/image30.jpg)
![Swivel seat Image31](https://i.servimg.com/u/f87/19/83/96/90/image31.jpg)
the second photo is from the rear of the seat (facing forward) showing the 'hole' more towards the left (central) side, so that any rotation will 'pull' the seat slightly in that direction.
good luck with any potential mod...
![Swivel seat Image30](https://i.servimg.com/u/f87/19/83/96/90/image30.jpg)
![Swivel seat Image31](https://i.servimg.com/u/f87/19/83/96/90/image31.jpg)
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I do the same without releasing steering column on our Neuvo. I also struggled rotating the seat in early days of ownership but have no problems now.Caraman wrote:I am sure the 2019 Broadway cab is no different to my 2019 Nuevo cab. This is what I do:
Release steering wheel column and push in.
Rotate seat anti-clockwise until the back of the seat hits the hand brake
Slide the seat forward and continue to rotate it until it hits the bed base
Slide the seat backwards and continue to rotate it into position
It's tight and the seat ends up touching the hand brake but there is no need to release the handbrake.
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Re: Swivel seat
Bob, these offset plate sets can obviously be bought, heres a guy showing how they work...BobK wrote:Ingenious bit of engineering thought, Chris, I like that. Top marks to someone. I don't mind the swivelling as I described above but I do wish that when the passenger seat is facing into the van, I would like to be able to slide it further back as I have about a foot of spare space between the backrest and the "dashboard" (giving my age away)!! My van is non autosleeper but ducato based. Must have a look at the swivelling mechanism and see what can be done.
offset swivel demo
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bolero boy wrote:Bob, these offset plate sets can obviously be bought, heres a guy showing how they work...BobK wrote:Ingenious bit of engineering thought, Chris, I like that. Top marks to someone. I don't mind the swivelling as I described above but I do wish that when the passenger seat is facing into the van, I would like to be able to slide it further back as I have about a foot of spare space between the backrest and the "dashboard" (giving my age away)!! My van is non autosleeper but ducato based. Must have a look at the swivelling mechanism and see what can be done.
offset swivel demo
https://www.kiravans.co.uk/products/ducato-jumper-boxer-x250-2006-passenger-seat-swivel-offset-rib
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Chris..Peter....thanks for interesting responses. Watch this space
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Re: Swivel seat
My seat doesn’t catch the hand brake.
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