Re: Problems with my Broadway FB

by Paulmold Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:04 am

andyiow wrote:Twin bench ?

Aren't most models twin bench but you don't see others labelled TB. I thought it must be something like FB, fixed bed but I can't think of a description of the bed which would use the letter T.

by andyiow Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:05 am

Two berth ?

by Paulmold Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:10 am

Again, most vans are but don't have that designation. I thought maybe twin bed but that would only work if they were fixed singles.

by Quilter Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:14 am

I thought it was Twin Beds: somewhere, on one of the videos that is linked from the AS website ( or was earlier this year) it translates...but it could have been Twin Benches.

Q

by Paulmold Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:17 am

If either is the correct answer it seems strange that other models (the Warwick Duo for example) are not designated as TB. Only AS have the answer.

by Quilter Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:22 am

Just listened to the AS video. It's End Kitchen, Two Berth, Low Profile

( or Rothko for short)

Q

by Paulmold Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:43 am

Fair enough, seems strange that no other two berth models have that designation.

by Oldfolkie Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:17 am

Ooooh dear!! I don't know what to think, there seems to be a lot of gloomy posts about the Broadway. We have just concluded a deal to trade in our 2009 Nuevo ES for a Broadway EKTBLP (new but a 2014 model) and now you seem to be saying it will have bits dropping off it as soon as we try to use it.

Seriously though, I appreciate the comments about the new 150bhp engine. My dealer said that I would be unlikely to notice a difference from the Nuevo engine but the general thrust here seems to suggest a distinct improvement.

Although we have looked at other motorhomes, AS seem to come up with layouts and configurations that most closely match our requirements and so we will look forward to taking delivery of our new acquisition with anticipation and excitement.

by Quilter Thu Nov 27, 2014 11:41 am

Oldfolkie wrote:Ooooh dear!! I don't know what to think, there seems to be a lot of gloomy posts about the Broadway. We have just concluded a deal to trade in our 2009 Nuevo ES for a Broadway EKTBLP (new but a 2014 model) and now you seem to be saying it will have bits dropping off it as soon as we try to use it.

Seriously though, I appreciate the comments about the new 150bhp engine. My dealer said that I would be unlikely to notice a difference from the Nuevo engine but the general thrust here seems to suggest a distinct improvement.

Although we have looked at other motorhomes, AS seem to come up with layouts and configurations that most closely match our requirements and so we will look forward to taking delivery of our new acquisition with anticipation and excitement.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with it. We have the 2014 version and, apart from the minor things listed above, it is excellent. A big plus point is the helpful attitude of AS themselves: no waiting around for months for an appointment, no attempted fobbing off with " it isn't our fault/ business", no " we can't discuss anything with you on the phone; go to your dealer" and so on. Our last new van ( not AS) had 4 closely typed pages of faults from new and needed almost a full-time secretary to do all the paperwork, phone calls and keep the diary of appointments.

Q

by CC Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:19 pm

Last post by Saraspalace was in August twiddle_thumbs

I'm always sceptical of members who join with a list of alegeded issues then seemingly disappear or don't keep the forum updated... If your issues have been resolved then please update your posts to indicate such, or if they have not been resolved after many weeks or months then Why Not?

by Bertie Bassett Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:25 pm

Quilter wrote:Not much to add to what my OH has written above about the van. We had a slight problem with the skirt locker leaking when it was new. This was soon sorted by AS, who fitted a support underneath, and it has been fine since then. A length of the brown rubber trim that fits in a groove below the high level lockers keeps falling out and is now firmly glued in.

Other than that we are very pleased with it: intelligent storage, good quality fittings, good looking interior, drives well and quite economically. We like the water fill system too...something that does not appeal to all.

I notice that my tablets predictive text translates EKTBLP to Rothko so perhaps the Broadway Rothko ??!

Q

Thanks Q, all info is of use now that we have taken the plunge. Ordering the van (see........no mention of the Rothko there) was our Christmas present to each other. (That's Christmases 2014 - 2034) hugegrins

Particularly interested in storage of our standard size outdoor recliners in the underside locker with the external door. Even with the dimensions we can't work out whether they're going to fit.........doh! Also long term mpg figures would be useful if you record them.
The most refreshing thing is that so many people report that their problems have been sorted without quibble. We know our dealer as a thoroughly decent gent with a good team so no problems there but many posters show that the 'no quibble' element is carried on to AS too which has to be a bonus.
This forum in general and this thread in particular has reassured us enough to go ahead with our order last Wednesday. Thanks to all for the most informative posts. A bit frustrating that the OP hasn't come back to the thread though, perhaps she's been asked not to by the dealer? I know of one dealership that has done that in the past. (Another forum and another marque).

by Bertie Bassett Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:27 pm

Cruising Comet wrote:Last post by Saraspalace was in August

I'm always sceptical of members who join with a list of alegeded issues then seemingly disappear or don't keep the forum updated... If your issues have been resolved then please update your posts to indicate such, or if they have not been resolved after many weeks or months then Why Not?

Seconded without reservation CC.

by safariboy Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:35 pm

Bertie Bassett wrote:
Quilter wrote:Not much to add to what my OH has written above about the van. We had a slight problem with the skirt locker leaking when it was new. This was soon sorted by AS, who fitted a support underneath, and it has been fine since then. A length of the brown rubber trim that fits in a groove below the high level lockers keeps falling out and is now firmly glued in.

Other than that we are very pleased with it: intelligent storage, good quality fittings, good looking interior, drives well and quite economically. We like the water fill system too...something that does not appeal to all.

I notice that my tablets predictive text translates EKTBLP to Rothko so perhaps the Broadway Rothko ??!

Q

Thanks Q, all info is of use now that we have taken the plunge. Ordering the van (see........no mention of the Rothko there) was our Christmas present to each other. (That's Christmases 2014 - 2034)
Particularly interested in storage of our standard size outdoor recliners in the underside locker with the external door. Even with the dimensions we can't work out whether they're going to fit.........doh! Also long term mpg figures would be useful if you record them.
The most refreshing thing is that so many people report that their problems have been sorted without quibble. We know our dealer as a thoroughly decent gent with a good team so no problems there but many posters show that the 'no quibble' element is carried on to AS too which has to be a bonus.
This forum in general and this thread in particular has reassured us enough to go ahead with our order last Wednesday. Thanks to all for the most informative posts. A bit frustrating that the OP hasn't come back to the thread though, perhaps she's been asked not to by the dealer? I know of one dealership that has done that in the past. (Another forum and another marque).

The outdoor locker is not that big. We have in our's a set of levelling blocks, the water hoses, an oil can,loo fluid (small bottle) and that is about it. Certainly not recliners. The lockers inside are good and free from wires pipes etc. They are not however very wide and my wife's chair will not fit (just) Ours is a TB EK LP Broadway

by Bertie Bassett Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:42 pm

safariboy wrote:
Bertie Bassett wrote:
Quilter wrote:Not much to add to what my OH has written above about the van. We had a slight problem with the skirt locker leaking when it was new. This was soon sorted by AS, who fitted a support underneath, and it has been fine since then. A length of the brown rubber trim that fits in a groove below the high level lockers keeps falling out and is now firmly glued in.

Other than that we are very pleased with it: intelligent storage, good quality fittings, good looking interior, drives well and quite economically. We like the water fill system too...something that does not appeal to all.

I notice that my tablets predictive text translates EKTBLP to Rothko so perhaps the Broadway Rothko ??!

Q

Thanks Q, all info is of use now that we have taken the plunge. Ordering the van (see........no mention of the Rothko there) was our Christmas present to each other. (That's Christmases 2014 - 2034)
Particularly interested in storage of our standard size outdoor recliners in the underside locker with the external door. Even with the dimensions we can't work out whether they're going to fit.........doh! Also long term mpg figures would be useful if you record them.
The most refreshing thing is that so many people report that their problems have been sorted without quibble. We know our dealer as a thoroughly decent gent with a good team so no problems there but many posters show that the 'no quibble' element is carried on to AS too which has to be a bonus.
This forum in general and this thread in particular has reassured us enough to go ahead with our order last Wednesday. Thanks to all for the most informative posts. A bit frustrating that the OP hasn't come back to the thread though, perhaps she's been asked not to by the dealer? I know of one dealership that has done that in the past. (Another forum and another marque).
The outdoor locker is not that big. We have in our's a set of levelling blocks, the water hoses, an oil can,loo fluid (small bottle) and that is about it. Certainly not recliners. The lockers inside are good and free from wires pipes etc. They are not however very wide and my wife's chair will not fit (just) Ours is a TB EK LP Broadway

Many thanks for the speedy response, it was the externally accessible inside locker we are interested in, where do you keep your outside chairs then safari?

by safariboy Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:52 pm

Bertie Bassett wrote:
safariboy wrote:
Bertie Bassett wrote:
Quilter wrote:Not much to add to what my OH has written above about the van. We had a slight problem with the skirt locker leaking when it was new. This was soon sorted by AS, who fitted a support underneath, and it has been fine since then. A length of the brown rubber trim that fits in a groove below the high level lockers keeps falling out and is now firmly glued in.

Other than that we are very pleased with it: intelligent storage, good quality fittings, good looking interior, drives well and quite economically. We like the water fill system too...something that does not appeal to all.

I notice that my tablets predictive text translates EKTBLP to Rothko so perhaps the Broadway Rothko ??!

Q

Thanks Q, all info is of use now that we have taken the plunge. Ordering the van (see........no mention of the Rothko there) was our Christmas present to each other. (That's Christmases 2014 - 2034)
Particularly interested in storage of our standard size outdoor recliners in the underside locker with the external door. Even with the dimensions we can't work out whether they're going to fit.........doh! Also long term mpg figures would be useful if you record them.
The most refreshing thing is that so many people report that their problems have been sorted without quibble. We know our dealer as a thoroughly decent gent with a good team so no problems there but many posters show that the 'no quibble' element is carried on to AS too which has to be a bonus.
This forum in general and this thread in particular has reassured us enough to go ahead with our order last Wednesday. Thanks to all for the most informative posts. A bit frustrating that the OP hasn't come back to the thread though, perhaps she's been asked not to by the dealer? I know of one dealership that has done that in the past. (Another forum and another marque).
The outdoor locker is not that big. We have in our's a set of levelling blocks, the water hoses, an oil can,loo fluid (small bottle) and that is about it. Certainly not recliners. The lockers inside are good and free from wires pipes etc. They are not however very wide and my wife's chair will not fit (just) Ours is a TB EK LP Broadway

Many thanks for the speedy response, it was the externally accessible inside locker we are interested in, where do you keep your outside chairs then safari?

One will fit in under the seat without a problem but it folds into a sort of rough cylinder. The other which folds flat travels behind the front left seat with a strap to stop it moving. When on a long term pitch it goes into a tent, when on overnight stop it goes in front of the front seats.

by Quilter Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:56 pm

As my OH says, the chairs will not fit in the external locker. I have a Lafuma folder and that stands on end neatly behind the passenger seat, between the seat back and the end of the bench, with a luggage strap to hold it firmly in place. My husband prefers a chair that folds up into a long golf bag shaped bag and that goes under the bench seat.

When we go away to Spain and are in one place for any length of time, we have a cheap pop-up festival tent that weighs nothing, folds to a flat circle about 3/4 m in diameter, and, when set up outside the van holds all sorts of odd items that we would either have to put away each evening or put behind the swivelled front seats, between them and the dashboard. Things like chairs, external table, hoses, buckets etc.

Q

by Bertie Bassett Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:41 pm

safariboy wrote:
Bertie Bassett wrote:
safariboy wrote:
Bertie Bassett wrote:
Quilter wrote:Not much to add to what my OH has written above about the van. We had a slight problem with the skirt locker leaking when it was new. This was soon sorted by AS, who fitted a support underneath, and it has been fine since then. A length of the brown rubber trim that fits in a groove below the high level lockers keeps falling out and is now firmly glued in.

Other than that we are very pleased with it: intelligent storage, good quality fittings, good looking interior, drives well and quite economically. We like the water fill system too...something that does not appeal to all.

I notice that my tablets predictive text translates EKTBLP to Rothko so perhaps the Broadway Rothko ??!

Q

Thanks Q, all info is of use now that we have taken the plunge. Ordering the van (see........no mention of the Rothko there) was our Christmas present to each other. (That's Christmases 2014 - 2034)
Particularly interested in storage of our standard size outdoor recliners in the underside locker with the external door. Even with the dimensions we can't work out whether they're going to fit.........doh! Also long term mpg figures would be useful if you record them.
The most refreshing thing is that so many people report that their problems have been sorted without quibble. We know our dealer as a thoroughly decent gent with a good team so no problems there but many posters show that the 'no quibble' element is carried on to AS too which has to be a bonus.
This forum in general and this thread in particular has reassured us enough to go ahead with our order last Wednesday. Thanks to all for the most informative posts. A bit frustrating that the OP hasn't come back to the thread though, perhaps she's been asked not to by the dealer? I know of one dealership that has done that in the past. (Another forum and another marque).
The outdoor locker is not that big. We have in our's a set of levelling blocks, the water hoses, an oil can,loo fluid (small bottle) and that is about it. Certainly not recliners. The lockers inside are good and free from wires pipes etc. They are not however very wide and my wife's chair will not fit (just) Ours is a TB EK LP Broadway

Many thanks for the speedy response, it was the externally accessible inside locker we are interested in, where do you keep your outside chairs then safari?
One will fit in under the seat without a problem but it folds into a sort of rough cylinder. The other which folds flat travels behind the front left seat with a strap to stop it moving. When on a long term pitch it goes into a tent, when on overnight stop it goes in front of the front seats.

Once again many thanks SB and Q, all good info.

by inspiredron Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:36 am

andyiow wrote:On my Nuevo I was pulling top 30's around 38 and on my Warwick Duo 41.7 on a motorway travelling at 57. There are two readouts for mpg on my trip one was actual and the other between resets giving an average.

I am absolutely flabbergasted - if I am understanding you correctly. Is your 38mpg the average between trip resets? I log my diesel purchases, always brim the tank - at least till the pump has shut off at least twice - and also work out the mpg from litres bought and distance travelled.
The cslculated mpg is invariably around 3% less than the figure from the trip - but that is only about 1mpg different in 30 or 40. If I reset the trip with a warm engine while driving at 57mph smoothly on level motorway and checked it 5 minutes later I can envisage something around high 30s but in normal mixed driving, including the cold starts that you had on even a 50 litre fillup I get a much lower figure. As I said in an earlier post, I have seen the trip go up to 31, even 32 on a level and smooth motorway at speedo 60 (actual 56mph) but by the time I fill up there has been traffic or hills which will have knocked it back to below 30.
I do use cruise control a lot but have felt that it does not waste fuel like the early manifold vacuum controlled ones did and I always resume the cruise speed with the accelerator rather than using the resume function to avoid excessive acceleration.
How do you get such high mpg?
Can anybody else get those figures at 50mph +?
I'm feeling that I must have a brick inside my right shoe? scratch head

by mikethebike Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:13 am

Cruising Comet wrote:Last post by Saraspalace was in August

I'm always sceptical of members who join with a list of alegeded issues then seemingly disappear or don't keep the forum updated... If your issues have been resolved then please update your posts to indicate such, or if they have not been resolved after many weeks or months then Why Not?

I think its a wind up. But if she is still parked outside the dealer then all bets are off!

I have read through this long 92 thread again and feel depressed. surrender

Micky

by Quilter Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:32 pm

Bertie: We've just been out to the van and measured up the nearside locker- ie the one with the external opening- so you might be able to work out if your chairs would fit.

NB it is a 2014 model but I doubt things will have changed much.

Floor area of the locker, measured inside: 1900 cm x 550 cm

External opening locker door: 730 cm x 280 cm

Our previous van was the same layout but the 2 beds were wider ( ie less space between the two benches) and so my Lafuma chair would fit nicely in the underbed space.

Q

by andyiow Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:49 pm

Bertie just got back from a trip to Abbey Wood from the Island. Travelled with Mrs S and niece with her partner set the trip computer leaving gunwarfe ferry terminal Thursday and arrived back home on the Island tonight to get a better understanding of my mpg figure.
As stated 4 of us with kit, full gas tank, fresh water tank 25% full on the way up, 75% coming home. Mileage now 423. MPG figure on trip computer tonight is 33.7 mph. Used cruise for most of journey at 54 mph or 2100 rpm. Very happy considering the EK lump and loading suspect it will improve as engine loosens off. Would expect better mpg from a low profile model such as your new one from Roger.
For the doubters official Peugeot figures for the facelift is over 40 mph for the van. Bertie will pm photo of dash readout taken at M25/A3 today if you wish

by Bertie Bassett Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:49 pm

Q and Andy, thanks for all the detail, most welcome.
Q those measurements just what we were looking for, many thanks.
Andy, No need for dash read out thanks, I like your mpg figures, bodes when the engine is bedded in.
Fully loaded to the gunwales our current van on a Boxer base (2011) does 35 consistently on long runs and any old fuel. When I have run two tanks of BP Ultimate through it on long runs best mpg figures in summer months are 40.5 on the computer and 39.5 tank to tank fill. In the winter that drops between 3 and 5 mpg. I'm not tight but I do like to measure the mpg.

by artheytrate Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:56 pm

My 2014 Broadway FB has just reached 8000 miles and just done another trip to Benidorm, we have averaged 26.5 mph towing a trailer at 60 mph also our Broadway is fitted with the Ford 130 bhp engine.

John.

by inspiredron Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:03 am

John,
your mpg is consistent with mine, a bit worse but I don't have a trailer. No need for proof, Andy - but I am still amazed! I can only guess that the new engine's ecu is progammed to run leaner thsn the Ford 130bhlp.
The alternative is that I have a lead rigbt foot - but that does not square with the use of cruise control for both of us.

by andyiow Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:47 am

http://vans.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/peugeot/boxer-2006/hdi-150

Wider user data here for a 150 PS

Andy