Parking tickets....

Good on you and for remaining resolute with your quest to hopefully shame the (what you describe) in court.

That is 3 forums I use where Falmouth Customs House Quay parking problems have been raised. Sound like a rogue lot with the parking contract. Good luck.

A wealth of info and help here:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/

PB

Just to show you how things could be....... We were in Northern France a couple of years ago and we parked in one of those many towns on the coast. Can't recall which. On the basis of there being safety in numbers we parked in a bay at the end of a row of MHs, overlooking the sea. There was a sign saying no charge between 12.00 and 2.00pm. A bit of a result all round. Upon returning from lunch I found a plastic wallet on my windscreen. Oh no...a ticket! Upon opening there was a letter from the local mayor in English pointing out that I may have inadvertently parked in a bay where MHs were not permitted. He asked that I respect the designated bays in the future and hoped that I had enjoyed my stay in his town. You could have knocked me down with a feather. Yes I had enjoyed my stay and yes I had spent money there i.e. Lunch. I looked at the bays, and the signage and yes I had made a mistake....I was one bay into the section for cars. I dropped him a note of thanks when I got back. Now tell me again why do I holiday in France..........

Many years ago I parked by mistake in a residents only street in Bad Godesburg.

On my return a polite note in English on the windscreen began 'Dear foreign guest' and then informed that if I had been a local I would have been given a ticket and fine. Happy holiday memories 

Yes we have a lot to learn from ' johnny foreigner'   In dear old blighty you would have come back to find your van keyed by a local to teach you a lesson or a polite ticket on the windscreen demanding payment ! 

Apparently there are some here who don’t even like ambulances parking outside their houses   

In some car parks, particularly those at shops where they advertise restrictions like being in a bay etc, I’ve got into the habit of taking a photo for future evidence.

Good luck with the appeal  

I really hope you win this one. Good job you're not fighting the council, who seem to have bottomless pockets in disputes such as this. My niece once collected a ticket from a council controlled carpark due to overstaying by half an hour. She chose to challenge the council, lost, refused to pay the by then doubled fine, ignored all letters, and finally had 'The can't pay we'll take it away.' bailiffs call at her house with a bill for £1500..
Al.

Years ago I parked in a street I have used regularly, no yellow lines or anything never had been,  so I parked as usual, there were white lines but stopped  few yards up the road, when I got back to the car I had a ticket, couldn`t believe it, said i had parked on yellow lines, 

I took two photos, one of the road where I was parked and another one further back in relation to the road. apparently they said there would be a yellow line as the road had been resurfaced they hadn`t got around to painting the lines, no yellow lines parking as usual, 
there had never been any at that end of the street, also it stated that my car was brown,in fact it was a grey Volvo Estate, the fine was waved,  they just said we let it go this time. nothing about they had got it wrong. Well it was council after all.

On 24/07/17   I parked in a main Southampton carpark. Paid for 1 hours parking and went shopping. On returning and entering the car lent forward and remove ticket from dash. Then noticed Parking Charge Notice stuck to wind screen. Checked my ticket and still had 3 mins. left.  I noticed the warden near by and immediately started to berate him as to why.
He said my ticket had not been displayed according to the terms and conditions as displayed on all the notice boards ( it was upside down ) showed him the ticket but it was to late. 
 
Parking Charge is £85  or £50 if paid within 14 days 
So I appealed on 24/07/17
Appealed refused on 17/08/17 but now discounted to £20
I decide to not reply to future correspondence.
     04/09/17   Final Reminder  pay  £20
     22/09/17   Dept recovery Plus ltd   £160
     10/10/17   Dept recovery Plus ltd   £160
     25/10/17   Dept recovery settlement offer £136
     13/11/17  Zenith collection reduced settlement figure  £100
     06/12/17  Zenith collections within 14 days £100 or £160 thereafter.
 Nothing since.

Groundhog
I know your case is a bit different from this and if they are stupid enough to take you to court then you can enjoy your argument.
In my case after the appeal it's best to just ignore them as it's just a money making system against the ordinary person, and a lot of people just pay up.
 My wife was worried sick when I told her I would not pay up.  I have heard nothing since but if it ever came to court one has the option to pay before the court date.
So IMHO ignore them.

Cheers Windy 

A quick warning - don't necessarily rely upon advice from a magistrate in a case such as this.  Their experience is largely concerning criminal matters, whereas this is almost certainly a matter of contract law.

On the face of it, if Civil Enforcement have followed correct procedures, you are probably going to lose if it should go to court.  It's nothing to do with them having suffered no loss, and you being able to prove that you paid.  If the terms & conditions of the car park clearly state that you have to enter the full vehicle registration then you have provided the "proof" that you did not.

In fact you probably did enter it correctly, and no doubt their ticket machine was at fault.  But that is one (of many) of the points upon which you need to defend your case.  What would greatly assist is a list of other instances where the same problem has been encountered.

I strongly suggest that you follow the link provided by peugotboxer in post #4.  You will get some excellent advice on that site, plus access to a load of other cases at the same location which have been won.  In fact, I'm willing to bet that had you known about it and gone there for advice before your initial appeal and the one to POPLA, you would have put this to bed at that stage.

As for your case Windy, make sure that you keep all the evidence safely as they have six years to start any proceedings.  They sometimes leave it for a few years in the hope that you may move and not receive the court papers so that they get a default judgement.


Edit:  There's a current thread on PePiPoo concerning the same location. . . . . . . http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=118803

Hi, I had a similar problem at a Matalan carpark, girlfriend put one letter in wrong, appeal denied, so appealed to popla and at same time sent a polite but very angry email to Matalan, popla then sent a letter saying it was dropped, a month later Matalan changed the parking company, obviously we weren't the only ones, I would have gone to court over it as I was quite angry that they were being stubborn over one letter, but as others have said it can cost a lot more

Matt

groundhog wrote:Thanks Steve, appreciate the link but it is one I have already posted on and read at length!

The matter is now with the landowner, not holding out a lot of hope but whatever the cost I will take it all the way. If it costs me a few hundred pounds more so be it, I will have had my fight and that is the cost of losing..... but it will not come to that!

Excellent!  Let's hope that the new bill going through parliament will clip their wings a bit.  I won't hold my breath though - they've c0cked it up previously and I have no doubt they will use that skill again!

Just to re-iterate for others:  no matter how logical and morally right your arguments are, please take advice before any contact with these "parking companies".  For example, in many cases, so long as you do not admit who was driving, they cannot transfer liability for the driver's parking charge to the vehicle's keeper under the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA).  As long as you don't tell 'em who that is, they have nobody to chase. 

In Groundhog's case there is a belief that the land involved is subject to bye-laws.  If that is the case, the PoFA does not apply (take note if railway/port/airport land is involved) and they can only chase the driver.  So you see that appealing to them initially as the driver immediately removes a very useful defence!

With the benefit of hindsight:
1: These machines normally show your ref no in full before you press the green button to complete the transaction. CHECK IT - THAT IS YKUF RESPONSIBILITY. If you checked and the ticket is incomplete then put a note alongside the ticket stating what has gone wrong. If it is one character out on the keyboard you are on shaky ground legally - you COULD be using someone else's ticket. In your case you have a better chance. Whatever, your note will be captured by the warden's photo and you can photo it too. The safest way would be to get a new ticket and send a photo of both to the parking company for a refund - unlikely if it was your mistake but justified if it's the machine error.
I was lucky when it happened to me - local car park, first half hour free but still need a ticket. By mistake (or a dickey keypad) I got only first 2 characters. Screwed it up and got new ticket
ALWAYS LOOK AT WHERE TO DISPLAY IT! If it says left or right then do so - if it says on dashboard (so that they have got you if it owe as you get out then OBEY and don't use your clip. Then the scrotes can't get you. If the cash machine gives you no chance to verify your number then you have a better case.

One thing that annoys me a lot!

If I buy a parking ticket for (say) two hours, whether it has my registration number on it or not, why can't I give it to someone else for the second hour if I leave after only one hour?

I have bought and paid for that parking space for a two hour period, and if I want to give the second hour to someone else, surely it's mine to give.

Otherwise that means the parking company is selling the same one hour slot twice - once to me, and again to the person who occupies it for the second hour.

That can't be right - can it?

groundhog wrote:
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They had better get a move on though because I return to Canada in three weeks time and will not be back for a while!

When you return to Canada, whatever the state of play is at that time, make sure you write to the parking company and the Harbour Commissioners and clearly state that your new address is the one in Canada.  That way they will be unable to legitimately issue proceedings against you as you will be outside the court's jurisdiction.  As long as you post the notification first class (keeping a copy of course) and get a free certificate of posting from a Post Office, they will be very hard-pushed to be able to deny receiving it.  All belt-and-braces stuff just in case.